bi3mw > 05-05-2021, 03:21 PM
(05-05-2021, 02:46 PM)Scarecrow Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.All of this, of course, if the VMS was meant to be readable. I have seen so far many reasonings why VMS would not be readable or a hoax, none of them so far convincing. But then again, nothing in VMS is truly convincing. I believe it has a meaning, and not just an intellectual exercise, which is left to the readers.On the question of whether the VMS makes sense or not, I can only repeat myself at this point. I think if you consider the effort that was spent on the creation of the VMS, then you have to assume that it makes sense. If it were only a few lines of code, then it would be also conceivable that it concerns a hoax. With a whole codex the thing looks however different. What is quite possible is that the content should only be accessible to an "exclusive" group of readers. That is, anyone without the necessary prior knowledge of the writing system should be excluded from the outset. So it was not about the distribution of information / knowledge to everyone who could read but about the transmission from insiders to insiders. The complete absence of any plain text (annotations, marginal notes and so on) reinforces this assumption.
Anton > 05-05-2021, 08:19 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 05-05-2021, 11:48 PM
-JKP- > 06-05-2021, 12:06 AM
Scarecrow > 06-05-2021, 07:25 AM
Quote:How I personally see it in terms of this issue.It is possible, but finding all the skills within the family does not sound so common to my ears. If it was really a family affair, as it surely could have been, my next question would be "why they decide to encode/encrypt" something of family affair in first place?
I see it as a work of a family and, or people in the immediate environment.
Quote:It doesn't matter whether it's a doctor or a pharmacist. They all have training in this direction.I'd argue that doctors and pharmacists in 14th-15th century had much to do with cryptography, nor with steganography. Substitution and transposition ciphers were a known quantity, while polyalphabetic ciphers were not. I am no expert, but I haven't found examples where combination of cryptography and steganography has been used together in one piece of work, like in VMS could be. New set of glyphs (as an attempt of steganography or cryptanalysis avoidance) + encryption (hide the meaning). Maybe even added two ciphers, one main plus a null cipher.
For me, it is what I have learned applied to the personal environment.
Quote:The text is written accordingly in the local dialect. I don't think the encodings are very complicated, but the understanding of the dialect makes you think. This is what the passages with German text tell me, which constantly leads to discussions but is not encoded.As far as I know, we cannot be sure that those glyphs represent letters at all. We call groups of them as vords. It is a book, so it must be text, is the reasoning. But then many the statistical analysis tools say: maybe not.
For me, both are present, a copy (from memory) and my own interpretation.
Scarecrow > 06-05-2021, 07:32 AM
(06-05-2021, 12:06 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I suspect it's a group project, as well.
My top pics are family project, or possibly a group of university students, or possibly some apprentices at a studio.
Aga Tentakulus > 06-05-2021, 07:57 AM
-JKP- > 06-05-2021, 01:50 PM
scarecrow Wrote:A family project I could agree, but what level of family we should have to be able to produce VMS? Not a plain common family I would think.
geoffreycaveney > 06-05-2021, 07:46 PM
(06-05-2021, 12:06 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I suspect it's a group project, as well.
My top pics are family project, or possibly a group of university students, or possibly some apprentices at a studio.
-JKP- > 07-05-2021, 02:36 AM