Wladimir D > 10-05-2016, 07:44 PM
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Davidsch > 29-06-2016, 03:13 PM
-JKP- > 29-06-2016, 04:00 PM
(29-06-2016, 03:13 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.today I found this page, and am not sure if it belongs in this thread,
but I have to post this nonsense and fake page somewhere ;-)
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Kent Ramliden
14. März 2015
@Ruth Krämer-Klink
This link you provided was a very good lead. It turns out the owner of this website at one point owned the book in which the note was found. He no longer does but he may be able to tell you more if you have further interest. He told me a Swiss book collector formerly owned the book and he believes a collector in France now has the book, which he said concerns botanical matters. You can reach him via the Guestbook feature of his website if you want to learn more about the book or the note origin.
Regarding the text itself I found online references to two historical works which, with minor variations, contain lines 1,2 and 4 of the pergament note in Latin plain text: Page 745 of “Scriptores rerum austriacarum” by Hieronymus Pez and page 73 of “Historia canonae Sand-Hippolytanae” by Christoffe Muller (Albert de Maderna). Both works appear to be from the 1700s and the texts connected with St. Hyppolite is some way.
These two texts differ substantially from the University of Vienna online text from 2003(the actual text underlying the encrypted note which I shared in a prior note) with respect to line 3. Here the university text has removed “visu pulcherrima et odoratu suavissima” and substituted “in sepulcro quod erat fornice illo”. Google Translate tells me this makes a big difference!
From the use of Voynichese text values pretty much identical to Zandbergen and Landini’s EVA values we can already suspect the note is pretty recent, the Vienna text may be an indication the note was written after 2003.
I hope that the information is of use to you and wish you well with any further enquiries. If I can help further please let me know."
Diane > 06-08-2016, 07:37 PM
(04-04-2016, 12:00 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(02-04-2016, 11:49 AM)Diane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Anton,
Sorry, I just noticed your reply:
Quote:It's actually not about evidence, but about attempts to locate any historical records about manuscripts in Rudolph's collection which potentially could match the VMS. There are not that many of such records. I remember we discussed another one in Nick's blog - mentioned in a book by Czech historian, - and that one also did not look as a good match for the VMS.
I see. I thought this was about provenancing the manuscript.
Since Touwiade has recently confirmed that the manuscript appears to have been made in Italy, I'd think it more likely that we'd find any cognate works there, or perhaps in England, if it is accepted that the Arabic page numbers are in John Dee's hand (this from a recognised expert in that area)....
Does Touwiade define what he means by Italy?
There was no Italy in the 15th century as we know it. It was a general term to encompass a collection of city states and even in the late 15th century, after Lombardy and the Roman Empire had significantly receded northward, "Italie" only reached somewhat north of Venice. North of that were Recia, Vindelitia, and Noricum which still had significant Germanic populations at the time (vestiges of Lombardy).
ReneZ > 09-08-2016, 08:16 PM
(06-08-2016, 07:37 PM)Diane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.When you say that Touwaide is referring to both manuscripts - the one made in Lombardy (I assume that's what you mean, and not culturally "Lombard"), and the other manuscript that wasn't made in Lombardy, and say - if I take your meaning correctly - that Touwaide's description of the binding alludes to those two manuscripts... can you provide a bibliographic reference for that? I'd like to read it in the original before I quote it.
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