ReneZ > 05-09-2019, 10:34 AM
RenegadeHealer > 17-09-2019, 07:05 PM
(04-09-2019, 03:51 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In conclusion any encryption theory of the Voynich must take a realistic account of what would have been mentally practical for the author.
Searcher > 06-10-2019, 10:50 PM
Quote:Something that doesn't fit the nice picture (I don't think this has been mentioned in this thread yet):
Many of the labels that occur more than once appear to refer to different things.
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I attach the results of my search for repeating single-word labels. This was based on the transcription file by Zandbergen-Landini. (Detailed -You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..)
Quote:Quick list of ways a single label could apply to multiple things:Ok. I agree. But the knowledge of this itself doesn't help. Did anyone try to find some common thing between those labels for different objects? Or common homograph? How many people examined and tried to make identifications of a particular word or word combination? As for the multiple encriptions, I'm just not sure how they can be recognized in the text.
Attributes / properties
Relationships / mappings
Numeric / quantities
Multiple meanings
Multiple encryptions
Multiple languages
Multiple sounds/Homonymy
Categories
Metadata
Nonsense
-JKP- > 07-10-2019, 03:52 AM
(06-10-2019, 10:50 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
Ok. I agree. But the knowledge of this itself doesn't help. Did anyone try to find some common thing between those labels for different objects? Or common homograph? How many people examined and tried to make identifications of a particular word or word combination? As for the multiple encriptions, I'm just not sure how they can be recognized in the text.
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Stephen Carlson > 07-10-2019, 06:37 AM
(06-10-2019, 10:50 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(07-10-2019, 03:52 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
-JKP- > 07-10-2019, 09:27 AM
Searcher > 07-10-2019, 09:11 PM
(07-10-2019, 03:52 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was looking for patterns for particular Vords... Do they show up in subject areas that are related? Are they associated with particular kinds of images? Do they follow certain linguistic patterns? Are they associated with certain other words? Are there subject-matter patterns within specific sections (like the zodiac-figures section, for example)? Cam we find tokens for words like leaf/root/stem, earth/air/fire/water, hot or cold?Thank JKP for the reply and your efforts, of course! The issue of the word pairs is pretty interesting, although not easy. Maybe, studying of those pairs even can help to understand whether the Voynich words are really separate words or only an illusion. Interesting that many words of the word pairs in the VMs change their sequence inside of their word combination.
It did not result in the kind of patterns one would expect if the VMS tokens were considered to be words (with respect to the placement of the spaces), so I went back through it and started documenting word pairs. This was also a long and arduous challenge and more difficult, because where do you choose the word breaks? Which ones might go together? Are there word breaks within tokens? How do patterns in the illustrated sections related to the text on the unillustrated folios? etc...
Common_Man > 08-10-2019, 01:05 PM
(07-10-2019, 09:11 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Anyway the fragment of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. absolutely doesn't clarify this: "... daiin daiiin dain dain daiin qol chy dain v or daiin dain...".
RenegadeHealer > 08-10-2019, 02:20 PM
-JKP- > 08-10-2019, 03:09 PM
(08-10-2019, 02:20 PM)RenegadeHealer Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.-JKP-, I just wanted to say how much I respect the enormous amounts of time and energy you have invested in parsing the text of the VMS from scratch. I'm speaking here not only of the cataloging and inventorying the connections (or lack thereof) between vords, but also the making of your own full transcription. I'd have to say you're probably one of the most qualified people alive to weigh in on what the VMS contains, textually.
The vord-cataloging project you mention in this thread is a project I was considering doing, and it makes me happy to see that someone has beat me to it (and probably stuck with it longer than I would have!). I may yet come up with a similar project that builds upon the work you've already done, though. I'd be interested in running any such ideas by you first, to make sure that I'm not repeating work you've already done, or falsifying hypotheses you've already falsified.