bi3mw > 12-04-2019, 11:45 AM
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While 46 different abbreviations are used on fol. 11r, there are 62 different abbreviations on fol. 144r. This results from the fact that the text on fol. 144r is 3.25 times longer in terms of the number of glyphs than the text on fol. 11r. In other words, 7.5% of the glyphs on fol. 11r are abbreviations, while there is a similar amount of abbreviations on fol. 144r (7%).
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-JKP- > 12-04-2019, 12:23 PM
bi3mw > 12-04-2019, 01:28 PM
(12-04-2019, 12:23 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Very interesting paper, bi3.
I haven't followed the progress of software development of abbreviation-aware software, so I enjoyed reading it.
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nablator > 12-04-2019, 04:24 PM
(12-04-2019, 09:47 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.No I think that's not suitable. A printed book would be something only moderately abbreviated, and we can produce virtually the same result by taking e.g. bi3mw's text and introducing some common abbreviations ourselves. I have done that before and apart from slight increase of entropy there was nothing interesting.Did anyone ever manage to use heavily abbreviated stuff that cannot be printed as input for encryption? If not why do we need it? As far as I know 15th century ciphers use only a few of the most common abbreviations.
What we need is some heavily abbreviated stuff, which would be a manuscript.
Koen G > 12-04-2019, 05:08 PM
Anton > 12-04-2019, 05:26 PM
Quote:Did anyone ever manage to use heavily abbreviated stuff that cannot be printed as input for encryption? If not why do we need it? As far as I know 15th century ciphers use only a few of the most common abbreviations.
Quote:Thisis probably a stupid suggestion, but might it be possible to take a standard text and artificially mass-introduce abbreviations with find and replace?
nablator > 12-04-2019, 05:34 PM
(12-04-2019, 05:08 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Nablator: since so many Voynichese glyphs look and behave like abbreviation signs, it may be worth taking into account?It would be naive to assume that they are abbreviations, despite the resemblances. There are far too many y, g and m are mostly at the end of lines...
Anton > 12-04-2019, 05:46 PM
MarcoP > 13-04-2019, 06:23 AM
(12-04-2019, 11:45 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To get an idea of the magnitude of the frequency of abbreviations, I have read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .
On page 7 is written:
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While 46 different abbreviations are used on fol. 11r, there are 62 different abbreviations on fol. 144r. This results from the fact that the text on fol. 144r is 3.25 times longer in terms of the number of glyphs than the text on fol. 11r. In other words, 7.5% of the glyphs on fol. 11r are abbreviations, while there is a similar amount of abbreviations on fol. 144r (7%).
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Of course it can not be said if this result represents an average.
Anton > 13-04-2019, 10:16 AM