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Greek body parts, head to toe in order, in red labels on f67r 2
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RE: Greek body parts, head to toe in order, in red labels on f67r 2
geoffreycaveney > 22-03-2019, 08:11 PM
(22-03-2019, 06:51 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(22-03-2019, 03:30 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The bloodletting lists come in many different forms. Often it's just a list of dates and whether they are good or bad (textual). Sometimes it's a calendar form like a chart.
There are also drawings of "vein man", that are similar to "zodiac man", which show locations for blood.
I don't have time to grab examples, I've been up all night have to work now, but they're not too hard to find if one is aware that they exist.
JKP, a brief and promising follow-up on the good/bad days for bloodletting, etc., in the individual month and day Zodiac charts:
The Greek word for "no" is "okhi" (sometimes transcribed "ochi"; the consonant is hard like the end of "Bach"). The Byzantine forms were the same. The Ancient Greek forms were "oukhi" or "ouki" or "oukh" or "ouk" or just "ou".
If you look for example on the Zodiac page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 1, you will see just in the inner ring of 5 nymphs/days, that 3 of the 5 labels begin with [ote], and a 4th one begins with [ot].
My system interprets Voynich [ote] as Greek "oki" or "okhi".
According to this interpretation, each day's label is saying something like "don't do this thing on this day", then "don't do that thing on that day", then "don't do this other thing on this other day", etc., etc., etc.
Geoffrey
First of all, thank you Linda for all of the very relevant and helpful volvelles and illustrations and information!!
Second, an additional note about the bloodletting hypothesis, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 1 and related pages, and the interpretation of the text and the script:
I have written before, in the discussion of my Greek hypothesis, about the difficulty of interpreting the Voynich character [l]. Specifically, it has been unclear whether to interpret it as Greek "s" or Greek "n". In general, for the entire ms, it would probably make more sense as "n", or to be more precise "n/m". But I had interpreted it as "s" because it resolved a couple difficulties in the poem at the top of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 1.
Now in the context of the bloodletting hypothesis, I am seeing again that [l] probably makes more sense as "n/m", because that enables me to identify certain words as related to Greek "aima" meaning "blood" (the source of the prefix hemo- in hemoglobin, hemophilia, etc., as well as the suffix -emia in leukemia, etc.).
Of course at the same time I must go back and check every previous place where I had interpreted [l] as "s", and see how this revised interpretation changes the reading and meaning of the text.
In my interpretations up to this point, it will affect only three letters:
1. At the end of the 2nd line of the poem, it will end in "eipan" ("they said") again, rather than "eipes" ("you said"). This actually makes the reading of the preceding vowel more consistent with the rest of the text, by the way. It does not cause a major significant problem in interpreting the entire text.
2. In the 3rd line of the poem, the word "foundation" may be wrong (the "s" in the middle of "bas(e)in"). I will need to re-analyze the end of the 3rd line.
3. My interpretation of "bones" in the Zodiac chart may be wrong (the "s" in "osta"). This is just the short middle word of the label in between two longer words. For example, re-interpreted as "n", the word could be "onta", meaning "being" (the source of the prefix of the word ontology), which makes sense as the middle of three words.
It is not a problem to identify both [l], and the form of [sh] with a more "closed" loop on top, as both representing Greek "m/n", because the closed loop actually does resemble the top of Voynich [l]. In fact, the identification of [l] in this way makes much more sense out of the identification of "closed" [sh] in this way, as in my interpretations of "parts" and "eyes" in the red label body parts of the Zodiac chart.
Geoffrey -
RE: Greek body parts, head to toe in order, in red labels on f67r 2
-JKP- > 22-03-2019, 10:16 PM
This is mid-15th century, I don't have time to hunt up my earlier examples, but it illustrates how astrologically good/bad days are sometimes represented as charts (Cod. Pal. germ. 226):
![[Image: AstrolGoodBad.png]](https://voynichportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/AstrolGoodBad.png)
There are many different ways of organizing this information... in lists, in wheels... sometimes it's just a paragraph of narrative text describing the days. -
RE: Greek body parts, head to toe in order, in red labels on f67r 2
geoffreycaveney > 23-03-2019, 12:07 AM
As a brief initial look at what these Zodiac month and day charts may read like, here is a possible reading of a couple labels in the inner ring of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 1.
General comment: I think most of these small daily labels are going to read a lot like a kind of "physician's shorthand". In other words, an awful lot of abbreviation. Keep that in mind as you consider the following interpretations:
label: [otalaiin]
my reading: "ok-aman"
interpretation: "okh aima(n)", meaning "no blood"
Beautiful idiomatic grammatical Greek it's not. But as a simple physician's shorthand, for someone who knew how to read this script, it would be completely comprehensible to a Greek speaker and reader, which is all that was necessary for a physician's guide.
The "-n" at the end is not standard grammatical Greek of any form of "aima" in any well-known standard dialect, but that doesn't mean that some dialect of medieval Greek couldn't have said "aiman" for the accusative singular, for example. Many Greek nouns with the "-a" ending did have "-an" as the accusative singular ending, even if that was not the classical declension of this word "aima".
next label: [oteo alols araly]
my reading: "okiA amAnt alans"
(recall that in my Judaeo-Greek hypothesis, [o] or [a] can represent the equivalent of Hebrew aleph, which can be the placeholder letter where Greek has various vowels)
interpretation: "okhi aima(n)t alla(n)s", meaning "no blood(s) other(s)".
Of course, again, this is just physician's shorthand. The full meaning, I suppose, would have been something like "no blood or other procedures".
Again, the "n"s in these forms are not standard grammatical Greek, but again, a mere "n" in such places in such endings is the kind of thing that can easily arise in a non-standard dialect of a language.
Physician's shorthand is not thrilling reading! It is what it is.
Geoffrey