ReneZ > 18-03-2019, 07:23 AM
Emma May Smith > 18-03-2019, 02:22 PM
-JKP- > 18-03-2019, 03:20 PM
Aldis Mengelsons > 18-03-2019, 03:42 PM
(15-03-2019, 07:49 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Mostly for fun, but also to improve my understanding of the text, I occasionally play around with methods to generate text that looks like the Voynich MS text.Can you tell me from which page this text comming? It is very interesting.
Just to show an example , the following is a very straightforward 'encoding' of a short piece of Italian.
This can still be tuned a lot, and I'll refrain for the moment from explaining how it was done.
However, it can be inverted exactly, i.e. a very simply process will turn this back into legible Italian (though spaces
are lost).
First in Eva, then in Voynichese:
Quote:oty chey shaiin cheaiin dokaiin ar shy qotsheshaiin dsol chcheol dsar dy
ol chsy dol cthaiin daiin char shchey dy otokchar aiin sain ckhaiin
ckheeaiin sheaiin chcheain okar ototaiin ar qokaiin chesheol shy seaiin dckhear dy
sy cthaiin dokaiin y dcthaiin dokaiin aiin sain dol y dar shokchol qotar dcthain aiin
ol shokchaiin shar sy ctheaiin doty ol dsy qotaiin ddy ain chear dy
oty chey Shaiin cheaiin dokaiin ar Shy qotSheShaiin dsol chcheol dsar dy
ol chsy dol cThaiin daiin char Shchey dy otokchar aiin sain cKhaiin
cKheeaiin Sheaiin chcheain okar ototaiin ar qokaiin cheSheol Shy seaiin dcKhear dy
sy cThaiin dokaiin y dcThaiin dokaiin aiin sain dol y dar Shokchol qotar dcThain aiin
ol Shokchaiin Shar sy cTheaiin doty ol dsy qotaiin ddy ain chear dy
Remarkably, the entropy of this text (skipping spaces) is:
1st order: 3.7705
conditional: 1.2110
I have clearly 'overdone' it with the conditional entropy.
I am aware that this is not exactly like Voynichese. Maybe I can do better in the next weeks.
Of course, everyone is invited to present similar experiments,
-JKP- > 18-03-2019, 03:54 PM
ReneZ > 18-03-2019, 04:51 PM
geoffreycaveney > 18-03-2019, 05:33 PM
(17-03-2019, 12:35 AM)DonaldFisk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In a few minutes , I was able to generate this: "qodom qodeey otaiin olk otaiin shodeey okeey otaiin qodom qodeey otaiin otaiin ykain shotol qotol otaiin ydaim aiin ldor qotar qokaiin okos chokeey qokaiin aiin ldor qotar qokaiin otary ty odol qokaiin shodain tal okaiin olk otaiin chokain shotol qotol dam qokar qokaiin shodeey okeey otaiin aiin shodain qotain dain dal aiir chokair qold otey ldy dain daiir odol qotey otaiir okeey otaiin otaiin tal otar ydol tor qodol dam qokar qokaiin qokaiin al oiin oteey okal otaiin yky das chokor chodol dol chodaiin shodor qotaly choky doiin d qokal qokaiin shodol olkar qokal aiin qoty dam otor dam qodor qodain d chokar olkain deey ary tain daiir odol qotey otaiir aiin qokaiin aiin shodain qotain dar chokain ytol".
I'll tell you how I did it. Each pair of plaintext letters was encoded into a single Voynichese word. The first letter was the prefix, the next letter was the suffix. Spaces between words in the plaintext are significant, and diacritics were removed before encryption. Plaintext letters, and Voynichese prefixes and suffixes, were ordered roughly in descending order of frequency. So, it's a verbose cipher. It might be too short to be breakable, but it's the beginning of a well-known text, roughly contemporary with the Voynich Manuscript, in a well-known European language.
Emma May Smith > 18-03-2019, 06:18 PM
geoffreycaveney > 18-03-2019, 09:55 PM
(18-03-2019, 06:18 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm playing with it, so I hope that Don doesn't publish a solution until somebody gets it right.
DonaldFisk > 18-03-2019, 10:49 PM
(18-03-2019, 09:55 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(18-03-2019, 06:18 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm playing with it, so I hope that Don doesn't publish a solution until somebody gets it right.
I will be very impressed by whomever manages to decrypt it and identify the source, because I have looked up every single significant text of the 14th and 15th centuries that I can think of or identify, and I haven't found a single one that begins with a letter pattern that would match Donald's ciphertext. I'm sure I'm missing something, obviously, but this is a pretty interesting challenge.