Torsten > 23-07-2018, 03:22 PM
(23-07-2018, 11:23 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think that the only places where there is less space is when the text hits a drawing.
Emma May Smith > 23-07-2018, 07:26 PM
(23-07-2018, 12:37 AM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One observation was that when k and t are prefixed with o, both become more frequent. My explanation for this observation was that this happens since o + d is normally transformed into o + gallow.
Quote:One factor is therefore that t is preferred in line initial position and qo- is not. But this is indeed not the only reason. Another reason is that qo- is far more common in Currier B and that most of the qo- words in Currier B are starting with qok-. Words starting with qok- are therefore in general more common then words starting with qot-:
(23-07-2018, 03:22 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(23-07-2018, 11:23 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think that the only places where there is less space is when the text hits a drawing.
With less space I didn't mean that there is not enough space. My point is that the author writes k instead of t in a line since this way overlaps with other characters are less likely. This is therefore a layout question.
There is no doubt that the character combinations where the characters would overlap are less likely within the VMS. For instance a gallow glyph following l is most likely a k or f and less likely a t or p. An example for a word using lk is olkchedy and an example for a word using lp is olpchedy. For writing olpchedy extra care is needed to prevent an overlap between l and p. That glyph combinations like tk or lk are rarely used is one of the reasons why the Voynich script looks fluid when writing its "own language".
Torsten > 23-07-2018, 09:31 PM
(23-07-2018, 07:26 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The idea that when d is prefixed by o it becomes a gallows is an extraordinary claim! What's your proof?
(23-07-2018, 07:26 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(23-07-2018, 12:37 AM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One observation was that when k and t are prefixed with o, both become more frequent. My explanation for this observation was that this happens since o + d is normally transformed into o + gallow.
The idea that when d is prefixed by o it becomes a gallows is an extraordinary claim! What's your proof?
Quote:One factor is therefore that t is preferred in line initial position and qo- is not. But this is indeed not the only reason. Another reason is that qo- is far more common in Currier B and that most of the qo- words in Currier B are starting with qok-. Words starting with qok- are therefore in general more common then words starting with qot-:
You're simply restating the observation. You can't say that one word is more common than another because it occurs more often.
Why is qo more common in Currier B? Why is qok more common in Currier B?
Also, what has this got to do with your earlier claim about space and gallows preference? Now you're saying it's not that important? What?
Davidsch > 25-07-2018, 01:36 PM
Common_Man > 25-07-2018, 03:50 PM
(25-07-2018, 01:36 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.k=t=null or k=t
Emma May Smith > 25-07-2018, 04:24 PM
Torsten > 26-07-2018, 10:58 PM
nablator > 27-07-2018, 11:59 AM
(26-07-2018, 10:58 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The question for the VMS is therefore why did words occur together with similar ones?A possibility is that Voynichese uses a very flexible system (whatever it is), locally made less flexible (on the scope of one or several quires or pages or even a few lines) by variable self-imposed constraints that favor (or restrict the usage of) some combinations of glyphs, thereby creating recognizable "styles" or "languages" or "types" (René Z.) of words. Other local similarities may be explainable simply by convenience, because reusing a familiar subsystem or tactic (as in a one-player game) is easier than inventing a new one.
Common_Man > 27-07-2018, 01:25 PM
Torsten > 27-07-2018, 06:24 PM