Emma May Smith > 22-07-2018, 10:18 AM
(21-07-2018, 01:23 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.An important question for the VMS is if relations between different word types exists. Such relations did indeed exist. See for instance similar word types like chol and Shol. The word type chol occurs 396 times and the word type Shol 186 times. With other words chol is round about twice as frequent as Shol. If we check other similar word pairs like chor/Shor, chal/Shal and char/Shar we get similar results. In all this cases the word type starting with Sh instead of ch is less frequent:
chol (396) chor (219) chal ( 48) char ( 72)
shol (186) shor ( 97) shal ( 15) shar ( 34)
cheol (172) cheor (100) cheal ( 30) chear ( 51)
sheol (114) sheor ( 51) sheal ( 19) shear ( 21)
Torsten > 22-07-2018, 01:45 PM
(22-07-2018, 10:18 AM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I remember You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. but couldn't come to a conclusion about them. Any thoughts?
-JKP- > 22-07-2018, 02:03 PM
Quote:Torsten: With the exception of chained words like chotcheytchol there are always similar words. Similar word types occur with similar frequency. It is expected that a word type more similar to the most frequent words daiin, ol or chedy is also more frequent. The conclusion is simple. Similar word types depend on each other.
Emma May Smith > 22-07-2018, 02:25 PM
(22-07-2018, 01:45 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(22-07-2018, 10:18 AM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I remember You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. but couldn't come to a conclusion about them. Any thoughts?
The frequency of a word type is related to the frequency of similar word types.
MarcoP > 22-07-2018, 03:35 PM
(22-07-2018, 10:18 AM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(21-07-2018, 01:23 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.An important question for the VMS is if relations between different word types exists. Such relations did indeed exist. See for instance similar word types like chol and Shol. The word type chol occurs 396 times and the word type Shol 186 times. With other words chol is round about twice as frequent as Shol. If we check other similar word pairs like chor/Shor, chal/Shal and char/Shar we get similar results. In all this cases the word type starting with Sh instead of ch is less frequent:
chol (396) chor (219) chal ( 48) char ( 72)
shol (186) shor ( 97) shal ( 15) shar ( 34)
cheol (172) cheor (100) cheal ( 30) chear ( 51)
sheol (114) sheor ( 51) sheal ( 19) shear ( 21)
I remember You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. but couldn't come to a conclusion about them. Any thoughts?
A
chor 177 shor 66 chol 261 shol 114
cheor 59 sheor 26 cheol 71 sheol 37
cheeor 8 sheeor 4 cheeol 3 sheeol 5
char 30 shar 12 chal 15 shal 1
chear 20 shear 5 cheal 7 sheal 2
cheear 0 sheear 2 cheeal 1 sheeal 0
B
chor 31 shor 26 chol 99 shol 60
cheor 32 sheor 24 cheol 90 sheol 68
cheeor 5 sheeor 2 cheeol 6 sheeol 9
char 36 shar 20 chal 27 shal 13
chear 26 shear 15 cheal 22 sheal 12
cheear 1 sheear 0 cheeal 1 sheeal 1
Torsten > 22-07-2018, 03:56 PM
(22-07-2018, 02:25 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As you yourself have noted, word beginning t and k tend to become more common when prefixed with o. However, while the further prefixing of q makes many words beginning qok more common again, word beginning qot become less common. Thus the actual content of words - the presence of t or k - is important. There could be several explanations for this, but it suggests that individual glyphs are meaningful because they influence the patterns in the text.
Emma May Smith > 22-07-2018, 04:07 PM
Common_Man > 22-07-2018, 04:37 PM
Torsten > 22-07-2018, 05:00 PM
(22-07-2018, 04:07 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Your claim that glyphs are chosen because of their shape requires more evidence than you offer. Much more evidence.
Emma May Smith > 22-07-2018, 05:07 PM
(22-07-2018, 05:00 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(22-07-2018, 04:07 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Your claim that glyphs are chosen because of their shape requires more evidence than you offer. Much more evidence.
That k and t have different shapes is an observation. There is also no doubt that k and t are used differently. All I say is that it makes sense to write a smaller glyph if less space is available.
In the same way it makes sense to emphasize the start of a new paragraph by using a gallow letter as the first glyph. Therefore it is an interesting fact that 93 % of the paragraphs start with a gallow glyph. Most times the paragraph initial word without the initial gallow can be found somewhere else in the text. See for instance word types like por, pchol, pchedy etc. Moreover p and f mostly occur on the first lines of paragraphs and many paragraph initial gallow glyphs are decorated with additional ornamentation.