Davidsch > 27-06-2018, 04:02 PM
DONJCH > 27-06-2018, 04:27 PM
(27-06-2018, 03:40 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.While Voynichese EVA:g g does look like the Latin abbreviation for -dis, it appears to be drawn differently.
The Latin abbreviation, seems to start with a d. The bottom loop appears to be written counter-clockwise.
The Vonich glyph seems to start with a c, that becomes an s and finally g. The bottom loops is often open and appears to have been written clockwise. Is the Latin abbreviation ever written like this?
-JKP- > 27-06-2018, 06:19 PM
MarcoP > 27-06-2018, 07:32 PM
(27-06-2018, 04:27 PM)DONJCH Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Marco, Yes exactly.
This is the sort of consideration that makes me skeptical.
The same could be said of the Eva-f analogue you guys were looking at in the other gallows thread - I was going to say Bingo, smoking gun,... but on closer inspection I think the loop was done in the opposite direction to that in the VMS and crossed the ascender at the top of the main "p-like" loop rather than at the bottom as in the VMS,
Is it just a lazy scribe or maybe stubborn and a bit innovative perhaps?
Koen G > 30-06-2018, 10:32 PM
-JKP- > 01-07-2018, 05:08 AM
(30-06-2018, 10:32 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't remember if this one was shared already, an explosion of loops:
11th century German Imperial script
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MarcoP > 01-07-2018, 12:10 PM
(30-06-2018, 10:32 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't remember if this one was shared already, an explosion of loops:
11th century German Imperial script
(01-07-2018, 05:08 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.the line and loops on "abbas" indicate abbreviations (usually these loops represent "abbatis" and are drawn in many different ways and sometimes resemble benched gallows),
-JKP- > 01-07-2018, 07:55 PM
(01-07-2018, 12:10 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(30-06-2018, 10:32 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't remember if this one was shared already, an explosion of loops:
11th century German Imperial script
Thank you, Koen. The document is transcribed You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Full image You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
The fragment reads:
... ad presentis vitę tranquillitatem quam futurę beatitudinem promerendam profuturum non dubitamus. Quapropter omnium Christi ....
... industria, qualiter fidelis noster Wicrammus abbas venerabilis Fabariensis monasterii, quod est constructum ...
(01-07-2018, 05:08 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.the line and loops on "abbas" indicate abbreviations (usually these loops represent "abbatis" and are drawn in many different ways and sometimes resemble benched gallows),
The word does not read "abbatis" but "abbas" hence the looping Bs are purely decorative Litterae Oblongatae, not abbreviations. I think it is important that readers and writers remember that most of us are amateurs, with no relevant formal training: we cannot reliably read ancient scripts and most of the things we write are wild guess. We are bound to make trivial mistakes (I often do). All statements that are not accompanied by unambiguous supporting evidence should always be taken as highly dubious at best.
Personally, I am happy to know I am ignorant: I think this gives me an opportunity to learn and research with an open mind.
davidjackson > 01-07-2018, 09:30 PM
-JKP- > 01-07-2018, 09:43 PM
(01-07-2018, 09:30 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How common would it have been in this type of script to mix abbreviations with Litterae Oblongatae? Doesn't it lead to confusion?