Ahmet Ardıç > 11-05-2022, 12:01 PM
(10-05-2022, 07:51 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Peach trees don't bloom like that - from stem tips. And the leaves are long, without that rounded shape.
farmerjohn > 11-05-2022, 12:32 PM
(11-05-2022, 10:59 AM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please put side by side together that transcriptions suggested by EVA and ATA, and look them again? Which do you think is more likely to help us?However, despite equivalency EVA is obviously better and more helpful than any other existing transliterations, but this is offtopic.
Aga Tentakulus > 11-05-2022, 01:25 PM
Ahmet Ardıç > 11-05-2022, 02:40 PM
(11-05-2022, 12:32 PM)farmerjohn Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ahmet Ardıç, the purpose of EVA is described You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., section "Purpose and Terminology" in particular. Also it is worth to note that recently EVA was redefined as being transliteration, not transcription.
Transliteration converts handwritten words into symbolic form, suitable for processing. The key property of the transliteration is that the conversion is one-to-one. Given word in the manuscript you can unambiguously write its machine-friendly representation and then process it or use in interchange with colleagues. Conversely, given the symbolic form you can learn how it is written in the manuscript. This is clearly technical feature and says nothing about underlying language. Mapping some curve to symbol k doesn't mean the curve should be read as "k".
EVA meets all these conditions*. If I understand correctly, it was originally named European because the symbolic form it produces use Latin letters. You can use another set of symbols (say Cyrillic) and create another transliteration (say CVA-даиин for EVA-daiin), but in terms of processing they will be equivalent or isomorphic.
*ok ok, there are some minor inconveniences with EVA (s/sh-issue, rare symbols).
(11-05-2022, 10:59 AM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please put side by side together that transcriptions suggested by EVA and ATA, and look them again? Which do you think is more likely to help us?However, despite equivalency EVA is obviously better and more helpful than any other existing transliterations, but this is offtopic.
Transcription is conversion of handwritten words into written form of some language. Both language and alphabet should be known in advance. I suppose ATA is transcription (not following the discussion properly, sorry), so it cannot be directly compared to EVA. But there should be mechanism to convert EVA to ATA then.
Ahmet Ardıç > 11-05-2022, 03:59 PM
(11-05-2022, 01:25 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@Ahmet
[Now you write again that the plants are not drawn realistically.] That is not true. In fact, most of them are drawn quite accurately.
I don't need a time machine to realise that you judge the drawings as fantasy to hide your ignorance and mistakes.
This example even raises the question of who drew from whom.
To be clear, most of the plant drawings correspond to the expectations of the time around 1400 and are mostly cassic. And your explanation of the bananas is pure nonsense.
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Aga Tentakulus > 11-05-2022, 06:39 PM
Ahmet Ardıç > 11-05-2022, 08:56 PM
(11-05-2022, 06:39 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You writhe:
"Then, when a time machine will built, we can go back 600 years and blame the author for not being able to draw realistically. But I thought she was at least someone who could draw more realistically than Picasso for sure."
This means, according to my translator, that they are not realistic.
And while I'm at it, bananas didn't leave Indonesia, Philiphines and, or Malaysia until the 17th century. And probably came to us via Africa.
Maybe a little history will do you good here.
tavie > 11-05-2022, 09:08 PM
(11-05-2022, 06:39 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And while I'm at it, bananas didn't leave Indonesia, Philiphines and, or Malaysia until the 17th century. And probably came to us via Africa.
Aga Tentakulus > 12-05-2022, 01:58 AM
Ahmet Ardıç > 12-05-2022, 10:25 AM
(11-05-2022, 09:08 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(11-05-2022, 06:39 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And while I'm at it, bananas didn't leave Indonesia, Philiphines and, or Malaysia until the 17th century. And probably came to us via Africa.
[The methodology here appears to be that when the imagery supports the Turkish theory, it is accurate and realistic; when it doesn't, it's because the artist/author's memory is failing. So there's little point in discussing the imagery at all here.]