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• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Morten St. George > 11-05-2019, 05:53 PM

  (11-05-2019, 02:07 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Personally I'm not convinced it's either. I think it could be a badly drawn fleece or mythical animal, and Koen has even proposed (with a pretty good argument) that it might be an aquatic animal (note the tail). I'm completely undecided, so everything stays on my list for now.

  
  I rejected the volcanoes and the tepees in favor of the stump not because the drawings look more like a stump than volcanoes or tepees (they don't) but because stumps were a better fit for the surrounding context in which the drawings were presented.
  
  This seems to be the major flaw of your approach to VMS drawings: you analyze a drawing in detail but fail to pay sufficient attention to the surrounding context. In the context of depictions of life in the swamps, the armadillo wins out over all the other candidates for the mystery animal because the armadillo liked to live near swamps.
  
  I know I said I'd stop bugging about the Italian monks but I see I'm forced to bring up the subject one more time.
  
  NYMPHS
  
  It seems to be widely agreed that the naked women of the swamps are nymphs. Surely this belief arises because everyone thinks the VMS was written by Italian monks and it is only logical that these monks, deprived of female companionship, would want to draw naked women, ie. nymphs. A careful examination of the swamp drawings, however, makes it abundantly clear that those drawings depict real women trying to survive in a real swamp. If they're naked, it has to be because it rains a lot (depicted) or because the weather is steamy hot (assumed), and not because the monks were sexually perverted.
  
  BIOLOGY
  
  Wikipedia states "most medieval medical practice was performed by Christian monks", so the Italian monks are also responsible for the widespread hallucination of seeing the internal body parts of the naked women, whereupon the swamp section itself gets to be called "the biology section" in many VMS books and websites. The swamp gals had a lot of imagination and at places they drew fantasies about deriving life energies from the vines and roots of the plants (not animals) in their environment. FYI, the field of biology normally does not include the vines and roots of plants.
  
  CONCLUSION
  
  VMS scholars are incapable of acknowledging that the mystery animal could be an armadillo because it was virtually impossible for Italian monks to have drawn such an animal in the early 14th century, and therefore VMS scholars resort to any means, even declaring the mystery animal to be a mythical creature, to evade having to confront the armadillo.
  
  Ironically, the VMS itself provides very little evidence for authorship by Italian monks: there are no depictions of monks, no depictions of religious scenes that would normally preoccupy monks, and there is not even anything written in Italian.
  
  Are VMS scholars delusional and in need of psychiatric help? 

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Koen G > 11-05-2019, 07:01 PM

  (11-05-2019, 05:53 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ironically, the VMS itself provides very little evidence for authorship by Italian monks: there are no depictions of monks, no depictions of religious scenes that would normally preoccupy monks, and there is not even anything written in Italian.
  
  Are VMS scholars delusional and in need of psychiatric help? 

  
  Morten, this is a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. argument. Can you please refer me to exactly where "VMS scholars" are arguing in favor of Italian monks? You are starting to test my patience.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Morten St. George > 11-05-2019, 07:03 PM

  (11-05-2019, 08:00 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Armadillo species are often defined by the number of bands on their back. I've said before, in Dutch, German etc. they are called "belt-animal". In many other etymologies, they are called "armored ones" or something along those lines, the armore referring to the large plates. It has no real scales, just bony plates.
  
  The pangolin on the other hand, has scales.
  
  That's irrelevant, however, since in medieval beast books, scales plus a forked tail means "this animal lives in the water".

  
  I've already stated that there were species of armadillos that had no bands and one such species is still extant albeit only in South America. Apparently, over the past six hundred years, banded armadillos came to dominate.
  
  As for your aquatic theory, here is a VMS depiction of fish skin and fish tail:
  
  
  
  It does not even remotely resemble the skin and tail of the armadillo which was also drawn in same swamp section of the VMS:
  
  
  
  The armadillo does not have a forked tail. The tail is being depicted in multiple places to reflect the movement of rolling up into a ball. Note that likewise the ground immediately below the tail is turned upwards to reflect the same thing, not to mention a sequence of blue markings rolling up into a ball just below the ears.
  
  Really, you guys are hopeless. 

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Morten St. George > 11-05-2019, 07:09 PM

  (11-05-2019, 07:01 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Morten, this is a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. argument. Can you please refer me to exactly where "VMS scholars" are arguing in favor of Italian monks? You are starting to test my patience.

  
  I watched all the YouTube documentaries on the VMS. What's your alternative theory for the nymphs?

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Koen G > 11-05-2019, 07:14 PM

  (11-05-2019, 07:09 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I watched all the YouTube documentaries on the VMS. What's your alternative theory for the nymphs?

  
  I repeat my question, where are the arguments in favor of Italian monks? You say "everyone thinks the VMS was written by Italian monks", then go on to rhetorically ask "Are VMS scholars delusional and in need of psychiatric help?", and then to your previous post add "Really, you guys are hopeless." That's not the kind of tone we want to encourage on the forum.
  
  Please link to Italian monk theories by members of this forum.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Morten St. George > 11-05-2019, 07:26 PM

  (11-05-2019, 03:00 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Milan is the foot, the mouth is Lake Como,  the back leg is a valley near the center of the curve, or perhaps indicates Turin. The back leg may indicate Genoa.

  
  Linda, JP now wants to de-emphasize northern Italy.
  
  

  (11-05-2019, 03:00 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just thought i would show that although it may look like an animal, the story could be quite different, but we can't really know what it is meant to portray until we can read the text and hopefully it will give us context.

  
  I too am hoping that one day we will be able to read the VMS as I'm confident that it would vindicate many of my theories.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Koen G > 11-05-2019, 07:36 PM

  Given the recent accumulation of transgressions, I warned you for flaming. Since you are now above 50% warning level, your posts will be held for moderation before publishing. 
  If there is even a hint of personal attack towards another forum member, I will not hesitate to delete the entire post.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  -JKP- > 11-05-2019, 08:10 PM

  (11-05-2019, 07:03 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
  
  Really, you guys are hopeless. 

  
  Lashing out at people just because they disagree with you is not an adult way of handling differences of opinion.
  
  
  
  
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  (11-05-2019, 07:26 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (11-05-2019, 03:00 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Milan is the foot, the mouth is Lake Como,  the back leg is a valley near the center of the curve, or perhaps indicates Turin. The back leg may indicate Genoa.

  
  Linda, JP now wants to de-emphasize northern Italy.

  
  I never said that, Morten. I said an Italian origin has not been proven and I said not everybody has the same opinion about this. If you start twisting my words, it shows a lack of integrity on your part.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Morten St. George > 11-05-2019, 08:12 PM

  (11-05-2019, 07:14 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please link to Italian monk theories by members of this forum.

  
  You just don't get it. Though not directly stated, it's implied everywhere. A few hours ago, someone responded to my armadillo theory but referring to the geography of northern Italy. The day before yesterday, someone responded to my mention of a volcano by listing the names of Italian volcanoes as if it were only natural that Italian volcanoes would be drawn by Italian monks.
  
  While I am fully appreciative of the valuable contributions made by people in this forum, I'm pushing hard for more openness to other possibilities including my New World theory of which the armadillo would be supporting evidence.
  
  PS. I use smilies to indicate that I am not being offensive and that wouldn't be my intention even if I forgot to insert the smilie. I view it as essential that we all cooperate and work together if we are ever going to resolve the mysteries of the VMS. Each of us brings into play unique talents and knowledge and I'm sure by working together we can make a lot of progress.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  -JKP- > 11-05-2019, 08:45 PM

  (11-05-2019, 08:12 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (11-05-2019, 07:14 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please link to Italian monk theories by members of this forum.

  
  You just don't get it. Though not directly stated, it's implied everywhere. A few hours ago, someone responded to my armadillo theory but referring to the geography of northern Italy. The day before yesterday, someone responded to my mention of a volcano by listing the names of Italian volcanoes as if it were only natural that Italian volcanoes would be drawn by Italian monks.

  
  It was ONE person who said that, yet you generalize it as if we all hold the same opinion. We do not. The problem is you always say, "You guys" or "people say". We are individuals, with different opinions. We do not represent a collective opinion.
  
  Three people expressly wrote that it wasn't necessarily written by monks, so obviously there are differences of opinions as far as the possible originator.
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