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  Morten St. George > 06-05-2019, 08:56 PM

  (06-05-2019, 05:52 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Having a theory is more "glamorous" than doing research.

  
  In case you didn't know, many of my theories are based on a massive amount of research conducted over a period now approaching forty years. In that research, I dove into areas that you know nothing about but are nonetheless VMS-related and may ultimately hold the keys for a successful decoding of the VMS.
  
  Meanwhile, I can see that you and others have already searched through a vast number of medieval manuscripts looking for answers, so surely it makes no sense for me to waste time repeating failed efforts.

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  Emma May Smith > 06-05-2019, 09:06 PM

  (06-05-2019, 08:56 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In case you didn't know, many of my theories are based on a massive amount of research conducted over a period now approaching forty years. In that research, I dove into areas that you know nothing about but are nonetheless VMS-related and may ultimately hold the keys for a successful decoding of the VMS.

  
  You say this is a tapir but it's actually a hole in the page.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Morten St. George > 06-05-2019, 10:06 PM

  (06-05-2019, 08:46 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was going to say that i think Morten, and indeed anyone who receives criticism on their theory, should always address it, either by providing very good reasoning to sticking to the originally presented ideas, with a good explanation as to why the criticism is unfounded, or letting said assumptions go, in favour of something better supported by evidence, in order to better bulletproof the theory. I for one would have far more respect for a theory that could not easily be refuted, even if overall i found it to be unbelievable, as i would need to keep the door open a crack for the possibility that it could be correct, since it would just be a feeling that it was wrong, nothing concrete to work with.
  
  Ie the energy required to refute would increase exponentially, if some of these problematic hypotheses were removed or exchanged for more widely acceptable ideas. Thus it could only benefit Morten to take these criticisms seriously and allow his theory to evolve into a stronger version of itself, rather than to constantly add to a string of just ax questionable assumptions to support the one being criticized . To his credit, he has made some changes in the past, so perhaps we shall still see this happen.

  
  Good comment, Linda. I've just decided to utilize my research to respond to one of Koen's silly remarks from a few months ago, maybe later today or tomorrow.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Morten St. George > 06-05-2019, 10:48 PM

  (06-05-2019, 09:06 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You say this is a tapir but it's actually a hole in the page.

  
  I'll concede that it was very naive of me to think that Yale would have hired competent scanners, ones smart enough to know that they should place a blank sheet behind pages containing large holes so as to avoid reader confusion. I've learned my lesson and may now be even overly skeptical of what many people have to say about the VMS.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  -JKP- > 06-05-2019, 11:11 PM

  Quote:Morten St. George: I'll concede that it was very naive of me to think that Yale would have hired competent scanners, ones smart enough to know that they should place a blank sheet behind pages containing large holes so as to avoid reader confusion. I've learned my lesson and may now be even overly skeptical of what many people have to say about the VMS.

  
  I actually prefer to see what is behind the hole because I've seen manuscripts where the information behind the hole and the hole itself have been meaningfully related to one another.
  
  Sometimes it also shows where a cut or wormhole or other detail in the manuscript goes through several pages, which can yield useful information about the manuscript's provenance. The less they mess with the manuscript while scanning, usually the better.
  
  
  One of the mysteries of the disappearance of early colonists in Greenland was solved with information gleaned from long-dead flies on windowsills. It's amazing what kind of information small details can reveal. Even the wormholes in the VMS are important because word-boring worms, for example, can reveal previous binding materials and sometimes even previous binding order, since wood-borers don't usually go very far through parchment.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Emma May Smith > 06-05-2019, 11:33 PM

  (06-05-2019, 10:48 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (06-05-2019, 09:06 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You say this is a tapir but it's actually a hole in the page.

  
  I'll concede that it was very naive of me to think that Yale would have hired competent scanners, ones smart enough to know that they should place a blank sheet behind pages containing large holes so as to avoid reader confusion. I've learned my lesson and may now be even overly skeptical of what many people have to say about the VMS.

  
  Didn't you wonder why there was a tapir on the following page too?

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  -JKP- > 06-05-2019, 11:41 PM

  Quote:Morten St. George: I've learned my lesson and may now be even overly skeptical of what many people have to say about the VMS.

  
  That would be a step in the right direction.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Linda > 07-05-2019, 12:40 AM

  (06-05-2019, 10:06 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I've just decided to utilize my research to respond to one of Koen's silly remarks from a few months ago, maybe later today or tomorrow.

  
  That would have been a good comment without the word silly. With it, it puts great onus on you to present coherent (ie non silly) refutation of whatever comment you are referring to. Without knowing what it is, i would tend to think it was not that silly.

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Linda > 07-05-2019, 12:46 AM

  (06-05-2019, 08:56 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (06-05-2019, 05:52 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Having a theory is more "glamorous" than doing research.

  
  In case you didn't know, many of my theories are based on a massive amount of research conducted over a period now approaching forty years. In that research, I dove into areas that you know nothing about but are nonetheless VMS-related and may ultimately hold the keys for a successful decoding of the VMS.
  
  Meanwhile, I can see that you and others have already searched through a vast number of medieval manuscripts looking for answers, so surely it makes no sense for me to waste time repeating failed efforts.

  
  How do you know what JKP, or anyone, knows or doesn't know about areas you might have looked into?

• RE: Morten St George Theory

  Morten St. George > 07-05-2019, 04:23 AM

  (05-12-2018, 10:58 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's not a teepee and we don't know what it is. If we did, it wouldn't quite be the "world's most mysterious manuscript".

  
  You were referring to the drawing on the left side of the following graphic:
  
  
  
  It was discovery of the drawing on the right (and most certainly not any comment by you or JP) that obliged me to abandon the tepee idea.
  
  As I have been postulating all along, quire 20 of the VMS contains the tenets of their faith. Today, we view those tenets as prophecies but they may have seen it all as no more than revelation from their god regarding the creation process. As theorized, the tenets of quire 20 were decoded, translated, and published in the 16th century, so surely that would be the place to look for an explanation of we see depicted in the above drawings.
  
  Both drawings depict the same thing and I have concluded that it is nothing more than a stump. For those of you who are weak on English, a stump is the lower part of a tree, including the roots, that remains in the ground when a tree is cut down. The stump itself stays alive for a while but the tree itself is effectively dead. Note an irregular bump (sometimes seen on trees) on the left side of the left stump. Note what looks like grass (or ground) toward the bottom right of the right stump.
  
  The stump has a mouth which is the roundish thing seen on the top of the stump, and through that mouth the stump spits out blood (depicted in two ways in those drawings) which engenders life in the material world. 
  
  Inside the stump, we see the souls of dead people (represented by small circles) which for an indefinite time, maybe a very long time, are locked up therein awaiting rebirth in the material world (when they will be spat out in the blood), otherwise known as reincarnation.
  
  Note that on the Rosettes Page, people who have escaped the endless cycle of reincarnations (by virtue of having lived "perfect" lives or by being "consoled") are depicted with stars, not circles, and ascend to eternal bliss in the spiritual world. Much of the Rosettes Page looks like an attempt to depict the spiritual world.
  
  For those of you who think what I just wrote is ridiculous or preposterous, you are most welcome to tell us what you think it is and why your explanation is better than mine.
  
  My conclusions were largely drawn from prophecy X-56:
  
  
  
  Translation:
  
  Royal prelate your "baissant" all shot up,
  A great flow of blood shall come out of your mouth,
  The Anglican reign by reign respires,
  Long time dead alive in "Tunis" like a stump.
  
  In this one prophecy we see all the mentioned elements: the stump, the mouth, the blood, rebirth, long time in limbo.
  
  On the translation, I will do a follow-up post on the two words that I placed in quotes. This will help some of you to understand why such a sophisticated mechanism of encoding was created to protect quire 20. It will also help explain my interest in the VMS and why I think it is important that we succeed in decoding it.
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