nickpelling > 14-06-2017, 08:27 AM
(14-06-2017, 07:38 AM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(14-06-2017, 01:14 AM)voynichbombe Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.> a "composite manuscript"This is correct. The 'Buchbinder' could have been the author or a later owner, of course
Does "bookbinders synthesis" meet "Buchbindersynthese"? I'm slightly uncertain. Something that would be noticeable, though.
Helmut Winkler > 14-06-2017, 09:00 AM
(14-06-2017, 08:27 AM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(14-06-2017, 07:38 AM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(14-06-2017, 01:14 AM)voynichbombe Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.> a "composite manuscript"This is correct. The 'Buchbinder' could have been the author or a later owner, of course
Does "bookbinders synthesis" meet "Buchbindersynthese"? I'm slightly uncertain. Something that would be noticeable, though.
How does this square with the decorative motifs that recur in different sections?
Koen G > 14-06-2017, 01:00 PM
Helmut Winkler > 14-06-2017, 05:14 PM
Diane > 14-06-2017, 05:22 PM
(14-06-2017, 01:00 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Manuscripts on secular, "scientific" subjects are very often Sammelhandschriften. They group various works of one author on various subjects, or different authors on the same subject. Or they even group fragments from various sources on seemingly unrelated subjects. It all depends on the available sources and the specific needs of the client.
I do agree that the VM is a Sammelhandscrift, and that its sources were diverse. As Nick has pointed out, for example, the human figures in the central zodiac emblems are cut from a different cloth than the standard nymphs. The plants are from a different source than the nymphy sections, and the astro diagrams must have been gained from yet another.
What makes the VM hard to interpret as a Sammelhandschrift is that the distinct ingredients have been topped with the same sauce: the script and certain stylistic aspects. Now when a collection of different works is copied (one or more times), any stylistic differences will obviously fade away. Though they can still be spotted by the keen eye.
There was no author who invented all the Voynich sections from scratch all by himself.
davidjackson > 14-06-2017, 05:24 PM
Quote:Well, the VMs is not an original work in the sense of the word, there must have been sources as in nearly all medieva works, but I feel sure it is not a copy in the sense of the word as well and I have done some thinking what the sources could have been for some time.
Helmut Winkler > 14-06-2017, 07:14 PM
R. Sale > 14-06-2017, 07:35 PM