-JKP- > 29-05-2017, 07:58 PM
MarcoP > 29-05-2017, 08:24 PM
(29-05-2017, 05:53 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.However, the observation that the crossbar usually aligns well with the second 'c' and less with the first 'c' to me suggest that the crossbar and the second 'c' were written in one stroke.
(29-05-2017, 06:11 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To me, looking at Marco's example, the most logical explanation for the length of the "bar" is that it was added before the gallows. Basically the order Marco suggests seems correct, but I'm not sure why the gallow wouldn't be added last.
Nice gif by the way, did you do that in photoshop by erasing the parts in reverse order?
Emma May Smith > 29-05-2017, 11:10 PM
(29-05-2017, 07:45 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Having thought about it some more, I feel like the order Marco suggests would certainly be the most logical approach, for two reasons:But I also really think that the gallows look inserted. That's a bit strange, since, in our current paradigm of c-K-c, it would mean that the order of writing the letters is 1-3-2.
- it respects the left-to-right writing order of the main glyphs. The crossbar can be seen as dotting i's and crossing t's, i.e. to return to a letter to finish it.
- it would allow for a more accurate length of the crossbar since the gallow is already there.
Now it's still hard to tell whether this is the case or not, and any conclusions drawn from it are highly speculative. To me it might indicate either of these things:Or something else or nothing...
- The scribes were really copying these glyphs and didn't think of them as sounds. They were "drawing" rather than writing.
- Or, in the scribes' mind, bench glyphs form a unit, that can be optionally stretched to add in a gallow.
Emma May Smith > 29-05-2017, 11:18 PM
(29-05-2017, 08:24 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-05-2017, 05:53 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.However, the observation that the crossbar usually aligns well with the second 'c' and less with the first 'c' to me suggest that the crossbar and the second 'c' were written in one stroke.
That's my impression too. The crossbar-secondC combination looks like an upside-down 2, and I think it was usually written as a 2 in reverse order (staring with the horizontal line and adding the final curved C without lifting the pen from the page).
Quote:(29-05-2017, 06:11 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To me, looking at Marco's example, the most logical explanation for the length of the "bar" is that it was added before the gallows. Basically the order Marco suggests seems correct, but I'm not sure why the gallow wouldn't be added last.
Nice gif by the way, did you do that in photoshop by erasing the parts in reverse order?
Writing the gallow before the crossbar and the second c seems more practical to me: you don't have to estimate in advance the space needed for the gallow (i.e. the length of the crossbar).
Yes, that's how I made the gif (actually with Gimp, but you can do the same with Photoshop).
MarcoP > 30-05-2017, 09:25 AM
(29-05-2017, 11:18 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-05-2017, 08:24 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-05-2017, 05:53 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.However, the observation that the crossbar usually aligns well with the second 'c' and less with the first 'c' to me suggest that the crossbar and the second 'c' were written in one stroke.
That's my impression too. The crossbar-secondC combination looks like an upside-down 2, and I think it was usually written as a 2 in reverse order (staring with the horizontal line and adding the final curved C without lifting the pen from the page).
Isn't the crossbar a separate stroke from either of the two e shapes? I have always imagined benches being made of two e strokes, then a third stroke for the crossbar going from right to left. Quite different from what you've depicted.
MarcoP > 30-05-2017, 09:42 AM
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