davidjackson > 01-11-2016, 08:45 AM
-JKP- > 01-11-2016, 06:12 PM
Diane > 01-11-2016, 09:47 PM
-JKP- > 02-11-2016, 02:12 AM
(01-11-2016, 09:47 PM)Diane Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.JKP
That Norman manuscript is very interesting. Can you provide its details?
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MarcoP > 02-11-2016, 03:18 PM
(01-11-2016, 01:53 AM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(01-11-2016, 12:21 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Note that here we have the Moon in the centre, not the Sun. And the number of "designated " stars (Pleiades counted as one) here is 11, which is more than the number of (then known) planets.
Anton,
This is true, and as I said I didn't post this as a claim that this is Jupiter... but if I were to try and find another way to look at the problem, the two ("jupiter" and "moon") could be connected in the Voynich illustration because they are the only two planets being observed in that sky, the others being stars.
Forgive my ignorance on this point, but what are the arguments given in Voynich studies for why the moon is connected to the Pleiades anyway? All I've read is P. Han's You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. explanation for that.
Quote:Various new demons arise from the various new sins the creatures may commit, and are produced for such purposes; who make even those planets rush on which are in the celestial sphere, and they stand very numerously in the conflict. Their ringleaders (kamarikan) are those seven planets, the head and tail of Gochihr, and Mushpar provided with a tail, which are ten.
Diane > 03-11-2016, 04:29 PM
VViews > 16-11-2016, 07:10 PM
(02-11-2016, 03:18 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In the context of the Persian / Zoroastrian astrological cosmogony, the curve could correspond to the eclipse dragon Gochihr (sometimes also identified with the milky way). The connection with the moon is obvious, since the moon plays such a fundamental role in eclipses.
According to some interpretations, the head of this evil dragon is identified with the seven planets. But the relevant Bundahishn passage does not seem to support this interpetation (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). Anyway, it's interesting that the seven planets are among the evil forces in this myths.
MarcoP > 17-11-2016, 10:22 AM
(16-11-2016, 07:10 PM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(02-11-2016, 03:18 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In the context of the Persian / Zoroastrian astrological cosmogony, the curve could correspond to the eclipse dragon Gochihr (sometimes also identified with the milky way). The connection with the moon is obvious, since the moon plays such a fundamental role in eclipses.
According to some interpretations, the head of this evil dragon is identified with the seven planets. But the relevant Bundahishn passage does not seem to support this interpetation (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). Anyway, it's interesting that the seven planets are among the evil forces in this myths.
Thanks for this MarcoP, the Dragon is a very interesting connection!
While I was playing around with the online equatorium I posted in another thread, I noticed that a part of the Draco constellation (Caput Draconis) was used to calculate the latitude of the moon, using strings.
JKP, this also ties in to your observations about geomancy, because Caput Draconis is one of the geomantic figures.
I wonder if the star cluster we see in the Voynich illustration might be somehow related to all of this...
MarcoP > 17-11-2016, 10:34 AM