ThomasCoon > 31-10-2016, 02:00 AM
(30-10-2016, 10:34 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I love this stuff, Thomas, especially the way you visualized it.
This makes me wonder about two things.
- The words that don't fit, what causes them to not fit? What is different about them? Can they be divided in groups?
- What would it look like if something like this were made for a language like Spanish or Chinese or..? How big is the difference with something we could observe in normal language?
(30-10-2016, 10:38 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can you explain why this tool would be useful? Or what fundamentals of word structure it reveals?
(30-10-2016, 10:53 PM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It does reveal a system of some sort. Wow Mr. Coon if that many vords can be made from left to right maybe I can adjust the voynich numerology table to work but it would have to be nine columns.
(31-10-2016, 12:41 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Tom's observation in this post isn't the first time he was on the right track. I don't know if he realized it at the time, but a couple of months ago, maybe three months ago, he posted something that showed he was headed in this direction, had the right idea and I supported his comments then. I don't have time at the moment to hunt up the post but I'm sure some members will remember it (at least I hope they remember it because it was a substantive observation).
Sam G > 31-10-2016, 05:43 AM
Quote:[… The transcription is a variant of EVA..]
The regular expression is something like
^[qd_][aoy_][lr_][ktpfKTPF_][CS_][eE_][d][ao_][lrmn_][y_]
(C =3D, ch S =3D, sh E =3D, ee KTPF =3D, the complex gallows)
correction: the last line, above, is how the passage appears online. I think it is meant to read(C =ch; S =sh; E =ee; KTPF = the complex gallows)
In other words, you chose any one character from each set in square brackets and rewrite the_ as zero, for instance qo_k_Ed__y -> qokeedy. The null character _ can occur anywhere: I would not interpret it as an unwritten vowel. I should admit a serious difficulty with the regex, namely that it generates most Voynichese words but also a great many words which do not occur, but I still think this is the basic pattern.
davidjackson > 31-10-2016, 08:47 AM
ThomasCoon > 31-10-2016, 02:01 PM
Davidsch > 31-10-2016, 02:07 PM
ThomasCoon > 31-10-2016, 02:13 PM
(31-10-2016, 08:47 AM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stolfi developed his "core mantle crust" theory based on these same observations (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) as did Gordon Rugg for his Cardian Grille theory.
So yes, it seems fairly obvious that vords have a very strong internal alignment, which IMHO points towards an artificial language. I've always had a sneaking suspicion that Don of T had the right idea but applied it in the wrong way... Of course, if it is an artificial language, it's probably lost as we'll never know what the nouns and verbs represent.
ThomasCoon > 31-10-2016, 02:31 PM
(31-10-2016, 02:07 PM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I assume/guess this ThomasCoon of Regex method will be satisfactory for something like 75% of the total text. But then what ?
Then we need to find some sort of primary system, device or method which is used as a basis of that method.
I am interested in that primary system, and possibilities to create that.
For your method presented, are there connections, logical cohesion:
- between the letters itself in the system
- the position of the letters
- the distance of the letters in the Latin Alphabet (why is this often 4, for the first two letters?)
MarcoP > 31-10-2016, 02:42 PM
(31-10-2016, 02:01 PM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Marco - that is an error (thank you for catching it). It should be lowercase s (s) alone. Column 2 should have <s> - <ch> - <Sh>, and column 9 should have <d> - <s> <ch>. I was trying to generalize why there is often <saiin> and <daiin>, words ending <oldy> and <olsy>, etc. (But it's still not a perfect table)
ThomasCoon > 31-10-2016, 02:57 PM