29-10-2026, 04:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 29-10-2026, 04:27 PM by npcompl33t.)
(29-10-2026, 01:39 AM)Jorge_Stolfi wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.An executive summary of your recent plots could be:Excluding those initials:
- In all sections, a large fraction of the parags starts with a puff: Pharma ~30%, Herbal-B ~50%, Herbal-A and Stars ~60%, Bio ~70%.
- There are no puffs in the first M glyphs of the head lines, where M can be 5 to 10 or more depending on the section.
- In Stars, puffs are almost entirely confined to the head lines, where they are ~4% of the glyphs.
- In Herbal-A, ~6% of the head line glyphs are puffs, and also ~2% of the body words have puffs.
- In Herbal-B head lines, between 4% to 7% of the head line glyphs are puffs, depending on the line length; and also ~2% of the body words have puffs.
- In Bio, puffs occur at the same rate in head and body, in about 2-3% of the words.
- In Pharma, the head line has about 2 puffs, and the body about one more, independently of the parag's width or length.
Makes sense?
Yes, thanks for pulling together the threads into one nice summary list.
(29-10-2026, 01:39 AM)Jorge_Stolfi wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Will those gaps remain if all four gallows ptkf are plotted together in the same way?
I think this is the correct next step, I will work on this (i don't have it right now).
However, I wanted to share this. I decided to specifically look at the Stars section.
I wanted to have a better way of answering the question: Are P/F words, or K/T words that are in the paragraph initial lines, similar in construction to K/T words that are not in opening lines.
To do this, I did something like your most recent suggestion. I replaced all characters through the first gallows with G, and i removed e's.
So qokedy, okedy, and kdy all become Gdy. I then pooled all words into the following buckets:
- Opening Line P
- Opening line K
- Opening like T
- K
- T
- ok
- ot
- qok
- qot
- ke
- te
I then calculated the pairwise JS distance between these transition profiles. Before making the comparison, i adjusted each group according to its internal variance. So this shows distances that remain beyond the internal variance of the groups.
I know you don't like the golf groups, but I think the stars split is significant, and that we see a register shift in terms of P/F usage between these two stars sections.
This is a fascinating comparison, that i think raises several immediate questions about P/F/K/T
In 3c:
- Already we can see that P/F words are more different than k/T words in teh same line, and this difference increases by nearly double against the non-operner gallows variants
- we see pretty substantial differences between words containing k/T in opening lines and non opening k/t bearing words.
- Opening K/T are more different from opening P words than non opener K/T, but not by too much.
- Ke/te bearing words, even after removing e's are substantially different from all other gallows varaints
- Line opener K/T words now resemble body K/T words. Although K seems to have shifted further than T
- Opener P/F words are now substantially more different than every other gallows bearing word
- E bearing words are still different from non e bearing, but the distance has shrunk by 50-80% across the board.
This is a pretty confusing result. Ke/Te words are substantially different from non-e-bearing versions. Its not as simply as replacing K with Ke, the words have different construction patterns.
If P/F is some combination of K/T words, why do line opener K/T, and most K/T words, get much closer to the non-opener Ke/Te, while paragraph opener P/F move in the opposite direction?
This shift is extremely difficult to explain, and is what i was originally poking at. Here, within the same section, the usage patterns between some groups converge, while P/F appear to diverge more than even before. This seems to indicate the relationships between these words change in different ways, which shouldn't be the case if P/F words are the same as normal K/T varaints.
It's hard to look at these charts and come to the conclusion that P/F words are the same as K/T words.

