17-10-2026, 06:53 PM
(17-10-2026, 04:15 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.When Cary and I were looking at A vs B plants images, I realized just how much of a mess Q8 is. From my You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. about it:
Quote:The situation in both bifolios of Quire 8 can be summarized as follows, with red indicating A and blue indicating B. The image types “starred text” and “diagram” are marked blue (B) since in the manuscript as a whole they are typically done by B-scribes.
We see that almost every page of this quire has a mix of A and B indicators. Not a single row is completely red or blue.
- f57r: B-scribe 5 writes two different types of B-language on the same page and the accompanying image is strongly A.
- f57v: A-scribe 1 writes the text for a circular diagram. All other circular diagrams are done by B-scribes.
- f58r and f58v: B-scribe 3 writes starred-text pages but the language is A!
- f65r: the only plant page with hardly any text. B-scribe 3. Plant leans slightly A.
- f65v: B-scribe 3, plant leans A.
- f66r: a text-only page without stars is exceptional in the MS.
- f66v: B-scribe 5 writes B-text, the plant is strongly A.
It is good to be aware of these things when looking at page order.
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I think I may have seen a video of you going through these on your youtube channel, but didn't pick up the significance around these pages.
This in general i think does support the idea of this being a transitional section between A and B -- here we see the plants are still showing A markers while the language smoothly crosses the delineation between A and B. Ive written about f58 before, while it is officially 'Currier A', that is a bit of a stretch, it is quite different from other A text.
In my chronological sequence, this would actually be the first section that scribes other than LFD hand 1 were working on the manuscript.
As someone who has done far more extensive research into the herbal illustrations, how significant in your opinion is it that the flowers on 65v are not colored? The single 3 words there mean its text can't be reliably classified (though atypically they all end in m), but to me it looks like the page is unfinished.


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