The nymphs are possibly inspired from Dante manuscripts
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Something irks me about these long-standing attempts to quantify the artists' skill. What does "not extremely skilled" even mean? For art historians, the focus is usually on what techniques the artist inherited from his native environment, learned or adopted from elsewhere as time passed, and how these were integrated in their compositions. For instance, one painter's understanding of perspective might be taken as a pared-down version of that found in a "great" painter's works, or it might be interpreted as the adaptation of a new technique to a well-established local style. Any discussion of this kind is bound to become contentious. One reassessment of Giacomino da Ivrea's frescoes claims that he was a technically skilled and versatile artist who painted a wide variety of works in a perfected "simple" style, as demanded by the conservative taste of the local nobility and church. Similarly, a provincial workhop head might adopt an improved perspective or arrangement of figures from a regional center, while another would keep the old perspective and make the figures, or only their faces, more naturalistic. A "skilled" associate is typically implied by an artwork that successfully integrates some of the master's known techniques, whereas others could only create mannerist imitations. In some cases, a member of the workshop would go on to adopt new techniques and approaches to composition, thus becoming a master himself, but it is fairly rare that a work within an artist's circle was grossly inferior to that of the master.

The illustrations in the VM do not strike me as being strongly influenced by the early Renaissance, peak International Gothic, or Giottoesque schools, all of which were prominently reflected in manuscript illumination around the turn of the 15th century. But this observation implies only the absence of a certain style and techniques, and not of "skill" in general. The VM is certainly not a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., nor were the pictures added by a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Many years ago, Ernst Gombrich argued that medieval abstract and semi-abstract art only reached its mature form thanks to the absence of "naturalism". Artists in the Middle Ages could easily draw on ancient true-to-life models if they were interested: Gombrich gave examples of naturalistic drapery on icons and frescoes. But by discarding realism, the medieval artist was free to play with structure and arrangement, shape and color in ways that earlier and later painters could not. Gombrich cited the brightly-colored paintings on stained glass windows as an art form that could only emerge if natural colors were deemphasized. Had they not been invented in the Middle Ages, perhaps we would have had to wait until the turn of the 20th century. I believe the VM is simply drawing on this older visual language. The fact that human figures were copied from elsewhere and given uniform proportions is fully congruent with this approach, rather than being a "skill issue".

Quote:Their lack of skill (and confidence?) may have lead to a lot of borrowing
While some details were faithfully borrowed and others were reworked, can we say that this happened a lot, and that a "better" artist would have copied less? I got the impression that most of the imagery is either original or untraceable. The VM artists were probably not a workshop of miniature copyists, and there is very little that hints at inspiration from a model book (maybe the vessels?). That brings me to another point about skill: it is almost unheard of that an artist was skilled at composition and bad at drawing. In Ed's Sienese manuscript, this very discrepancy was taken as evidence that a better artist's illustrations had been copied. Nonetheless, our painter was still praised for the consistent style of his stripped-down miniatures, which were likened to modern comic strips. I personally find the drawings in the VM quite effective, but here's a more practical question: between the painter of the Rosettes, the mystic Opicinus de Canistris, and the artist-monk of Gombrich's calendar (12th c.), who was the most skilled?
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RE: The nymphs are possibly inspired from Dante manuscripts - by Pierre Dumont Himself - 12-09-2026, 02:58 AM

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