Split: Entropy digression
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(11-07-2026, 12:19 PM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You told @rikforto that simple substitution is of interest, because the people reporting a low h2 value are all wrong. Reality is that the low h2 value clearly removes simple substitution from the table.

You mean this passage?

"When you turn to the transliterations of "Glen Claston" , it shows quite normal h2 values near 2.9, which is quite ok for medieval texts, while Takahashi and Zandbergen translits stay at 2.1 ~ 2.3.

Or has somebody made a mistake?

Obviously, it depends not only upon EVA or non-EVA understandings of VMS character set, but also on the whole following transliteration.
"Glen Claston" (I know his real name was different) was not more or less solid in VMS works as others;
so the rammed-in stake of "VMS entropy is much too low, just 2.4!" might not be that undisputable stop-sign at all?"

While re-reading, I saw that the "2.87" came from @nablator, based on his calculation with GC translit. After some edits, he came even to 2.59. I think you saw that too. Now he is getting some other results.

But as you prefer not to answer anything and care to distract people, here some more questions:
what is this "low h2 value clearly removes simple substitution from the table" ?
2.3?
2.4?
2.59? (would 2.6 be ok?)
2.89?
2.95?

Again: what are all possible implications of a "low" entropy?

Only "it cannot be substitution, we say so" and links to pages, where this is overly repeated, is not convincing.

And if it is just a cipher (of Latin or some German dialect weirdos), just decipher it.
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Split: Entropy digression - by ReneZ - 08-07-2026, 01:08 AM
Entropy digression - by ReneZ - 10-07-2026, 01:17 AM
RE: Entropy digression - by Stefan Wirtz_2 - 10-07-2026, 01:10 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by DG97EEB - 10-07-2026, 01:49 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by eggyk - 10-07-2026, 05:35 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by DG97EEB - 10-07-2026, 11:41 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by ReneZ - 10-07-2026, 11:53 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by Stefan Wirtz_2 - 11-07-2026, 12:14 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by nablator - 11-07-2026, 10:05 AM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by DG97EEB - 11-07-2026, 10:39 AM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by ReneZ - 11-07-2026, 11:52 AM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by nablator - 11-07-2026, 11:58 AM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by ReneZ - 11-07-2026, 12:02 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by nablator - 11-07-2026, 12:14 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by ReneZ - 11-07-2026, 12:16 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by ReneZ - 11-07-2026, 12:19 PM
RE: Split: Entropy digression - by Stefan Wirtz_2 - 11-07-2026, 12:55 PM

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