Generators and Positional Tendencies

[oshfdk]

Thanks, both. Maybe I was over-reading what generator work claims to show. Some of it does come with big conclusions attached, e.g., Torsten's strong version "The high regularities of the VMS text is therefore our key argument for a meaningless text" (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) and kostrubaty wrote "Results strongly indicate that the text was generated via simple methodology (order-3 markov chain)" and the "results seem to leave little to imagination" (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). 

If the claim is only that a math machine can produce text that looks like this, fair enough and most of my question dissolves. It's the stronger conclusions that seem to run headlong into everything this forum keeps finding about position.

Claims are claims. There is no consensus. I think the manuscript is likely meaningful and if so it's most certainly a cipher, but I have no direct proof. I don't see the arguments for meaningless as strong enough. What is more, specifically Torsten's results are You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., so I a bit paradoxically see them as evidence in favor of a cipher. In the end, I don't think there is a published hypothesis that would explain the manuscript well enough.

kostrubaty's results don't look conclusive at all to me, I don't understand how anything can be claimed based on these results.