Barbavara Ciphers
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Hi Mark,

For the f20 cipher key you sent me, the nomenclatura offers a few hints:

- It mentions “Antipapa” in the third column: the last antipope was Felix (aka Duke Amadeus VIII of Savoy), who died in 1449.
- It also includes (I’m reasonably sure) Cardinal di Flisco, which I think means Cardinal Giorgio Fieschi, who was made a cardinal in 1439..
- If the reference on the last verso line of the nomenclator is to John IV, Count of Armagnac, I suspect that would probably date the key to 1444 at the latest. This was when Jean was captured at L’Isle-Jourdain in Gascony, and then imprisoned for three years in Carcassonne. I believe his international intrigue and dabbling happened prior to 1444 (he died in 1450), but I could be wrong.

So I'd say the dating from the nomenclature would seem to indicate a solid range of 1439-1449, but perhaps 1439-1444.

Hope this helps!, Nick
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Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 18-06-2026, 01:50 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 19-06-2026, 09:39 AM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 19-06-2026, 02:12 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 19-06-2026, 02:15 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 19-06-2026, 02:18 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 19-06-2026, 10:14 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 19-06-2026, 10:28 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by nickpelling - 20-06-2026, 04:42 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 24-06-2026, 01:15 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Rafal - 24-06-2026, 01:30 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 24-06-2026, 01:36 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by JoeyB - 24-06-2026, 08:05 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 25-06-2026, 04:28 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 08-07-2026, 07:20 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 08-07-2026, 07:53 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 09-07-2026, 12:01 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 09-07-2026, 06:12 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 09-07-2026, 06:49 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 10-07-2026, 08:28 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 11-07-2026, 07:06 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 11-07-2026, 07:21 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by DG97EEB - 11-07-2026, 07:25 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 11-07-2026, 07:51 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 12-07-2026, 12:25 PM
RE: Barbavara Ciphers - by Mark Knowles - 13-07-2026, 01:44 PM
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