09-11-2016, 01:39 AM
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JKP
I don't see that you need describe this as a 'feeling' about the botanical imagery - since it is the conclusion I had reached by 2008, and which has been demonstrated in the work I've published during the eight years since then. (I'm not talking about the 'propeller' group, since I'm not sure what you mean, exactly).
A couple of earlier people sensed something of the sort, including a couple in Friedman group, but without detailed analysis, explanation and historical context for each example, it can't be called any solid conclusion about the whole section.
I didn't read d'Imperio's paper until after I'd drawn my own conclusions and begun publishing the explanations for these plant pictures with brief notes on the historical and cultural environment from which they had come.
Without that sort of detail and proof, the information cannot be relied on by the linguists and/or cryptographers, for whose benefit my work was being done.
It is really good to see after so long - and it almost makes worthwhile both the earlier labour and the nuisance of having to cope with persons whose way of avoiding the implications of an intellectual argument is to try avoiding crediting that argument by "discrediting" the scholar's personal reputation.
Clearly, if my conclusions are able to be repeated now without that sort of reaction, then the atmosphere in Voynich studies really is changing at last, and perhaps at last too the aim of my publishing this material will be realised. It was done to provide linguists and cryptographers with something more solid to go on than hunches or hypotheses, presumptions of "herbal" character or facile and inappropriate comparative imagery. But that, of course, was the state of things in 2008 - good to see how far we've come in since voynich.ninja got started.
Quote:It's my feeling that there are three basic kinds of drawing in the VMS plant sections (and perhaps some of the other sections)...I suspect that the "propeller" flowers might be somewhat stylized.
- Naturalistic - many of the plant parts are very accurate and carefully (even if not expertly) drawn.
- Symbolic - quite a number of parts appear to be mnemonic, or possibly metaphoric or allegorical in a different sense from being memory aids.
- Stylistic - some elements strike me not as naturalistic or symbolic but as stylistic, in the aesthetic or design-tradition sense.
I don't see that you need describe this as a 'feeling' about the botanical imagery - since it is the conclusion I had reached by 2008, and which has been demonstrated in the work I've published during the eight years since then. (I'm not talking about the 'propeller' group, since I'm not sure what you mean, exactly).
A couple of earlier people sensed something of the sort, including a couple in Friedman group, but without detailed analysis, explanation and historical context for each example, it can't be called any solid conclusion about the whole section.
I didn't read d'Imperio's paper until after I'd drawn my own conclusions and begun publishing the explanations for these plant pictures with brief notes on the historical and cultural environment from which they had come.
Without that sort of detail and proof, the information cannot be relied on by the linguists and/or cryptographers, for whose benefit my work was being done.
It is really good to see after so long - and it almost makes worthwhile both the earlier labour and the nuisance of having to cope with persons whose way of avoiding the implications of an intellectual argument is to try avoiding crediting that argument by "discrediting" the scholar's personal reputation.
Clearly, if my conclusions are able to be repeated now without that sort of reaction, then the atmosphere in Voynich studies really is changing at last, and perhaps at last too the aim of my publishing this material will be realised. It was done to provide linguists and cryptographers with something more solid to go on than hunches or hypotheses, presumptions of "herbal" character or facile and inappropriate comparative imagery. But that, of course, was the state of things in 2008 - good to see how far we've come in since voynich.ninja got started.