22% of 38,000 vords
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Quote:You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The problem raised by Tiltman is that known examples of such languages are late, and we now know that they are much later than the creation date of the Voynich MS.
Whether that was also the reason why both Friedman and Tiltman did not seem to have gone anywhere with that idea, I do not know.

To be clear, this objection isn't exactly proof that it could not be a constructed language, but it makes it a more challenging proposal.

For me, it is something that seems prohibitively difficult to approach.

On the other hand, my favourite 'key question'  about the Voynich MS may provide some insight.
That is: in case we could answer this key question.

This is:
Is it possible to do a word-by-word substitution of the Voynich MS and come up with a meaningful text?

I see more reasons why the answer should be "no"  rather than "yes".

If it is "no", then we cannot create a dictionary of Voynichese to some known language.
A constructed language is most easily conceived in the form of a dictionary.

If it is "no", then also all types of ciphers are excluded, even the more complicated diplomatic ones.

Essentially all past proposed meaningful solutions assume that some form of dictionary should exist.


The 100 rating given by Davidd for the Voynich which is barely over 20 for random and the odd statistics does point to construction and maybe I should not have included language if that needs a dictionary with meaning.  We do have a list of vords for the corpus of Voynich and so a super autistic person could keep track of bizarre meanings to himself of the vords.  Or maybe its' constructed to look like a language with no dictionary, therefore no meaning.  I do think it had meaning the text to the author, yet for anyone else no way.  

There is one image that might be interpreted as a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. f79v.  And a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 86v3 contain birds, Holy Spirit, this is speculative, but if the author of the manuscript who led the instruction of the manual believed in speaking in tongues then a construction without a dictionary is feasible.  This would be a glossolalia.  If this was for healing then speaking in tongues to heal the ill with a tonic elixir to invoke God is possible and speculative of course.  I do agree though with Renee, but a bit differently that the meaning was lost with the author or the group that created the Voynich.  In that post and I apologize Renee if I'm wrong, but I think you were leaning towards meaningless and no conlang.  And Renee I know you proposed it as "if".

If I'm right it is a huge bummer for interpretation and a path for meaning towards the voynich text is null.  It's obvious the Voynich Manuscript is not a logical language based behavior model.  I think the stats over time will go with construction and no meaning for public consumption.  However, to the author or group of its invention its meaning was lost to them as the text goes.
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22% of 38,000 vords - by oeesordy - 28-03-2026, 06:28 AM
RE: 22% of 38,000 vords - by JoJo_Jost - 28-03-2026, 07:30 AM
RE: 22% of 38,000 vords - by oeesordy - 28-03-2026, 07:44 AM
RE: 22% of 38,000 vords - by JoJo_Jost - 28-03-2026, 08:40 AM
RE: 22% of 38,000 vords - by Stefan Wirtz_2 - 28-03-2026, 03:29 PM
RE: 22% of 38,000 vords - by oeesordy - 28-03-2026, 08:57 PM
RE: 22% of 38,000 vords - by Jorge_Stolfi - 29-03-2026, 09:25 AM

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