Repetition of words
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The Naibbe cipher and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. might serve as useful references here, if only as proofs of concept. 

Within the Naibbe cipher, a given word has a single conserved mapping to a plaintext n-gram (by default either a unigram or a bigram). For example, in the Naibbe cipher, qokedy qokedy qokedy translates to "I I I."

In Griffoynich, however, a given word stands for a specific set of operations performed on a 2D grid of letters: for example, move up/down and left/right by some number of squares and then select a letter in a certain direction relative to your end location. In Griffoynich, a given word repeating would mean repeating the same set of operations—which often wouldn't result in the same letter repeating multiple times in a row.

One of the things that cuts against the VMS "words" being true words is that there are not all that many multi-word phrases, especially of length 3 or greater, that repeat throughout the VMS. But if there are multiple ways of representing a given letter or short n-gram, as the Naibbe cipher and Griffoynich both model, then there are ways around that restriction (albeit with other tradeoffs).
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Repetition of words - by Mark Knowles - 24-09-2025, 01:42 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mark Knowles - 24-09-2025, 09:26 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mark Knowles - 24-09-2025, 09:51 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mauro - 25-09-2025, 12:40 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 25-09-2025, 12:52 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mark Knowles - 25-09-2025, 03:18 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mauro - 25-09-2025, 08:46 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 26-09-2025, 07:28 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by anyasophira - 26-09-2025, 07:06 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by quimqu - 26-09-2025, 08:13 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mark Knowles - 26-09-2025, 09:43 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mark Knowles - 26-09-2025, 09:49 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Eiríkur - 26-09-2025, 06:26 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Kaybo - 02-11-2025, 12:47 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 26-09-2025, 10:17 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by quimqu - 26-09-2025, 12:06 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 26-09-2025, 03:13 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mark Knowles - 26-09-2025, 08:27 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Barbrey - 27-09-2025, 12:50 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by oaken - 28-09-2025, 10:01 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by RadioFM - 29-09-2025, 03:34 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by oaken - 01-10-2025, 12:33 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Kaybo - 02-11-2025, 12:54 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by ZamnaMx - 02-11-2025, 01:02 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Stefan Wirtz_2 - 02-11-2025, 02:28 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by ZamnaMx - 02-11-2025, 02:33 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by nablator - 02-11-2025, 02:22 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by ZamnaMx - 02-11-2025, 02:29 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by nablator - 02-11-2025, 02:48 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by ZamnaMx - 02-11-2025, 02:57 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by bi3mw - 02-11-2025, 02:55 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mauro - 02-11-2025, 03:02 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by bi3mw - 02-11-2025, 03:08 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by ZamnaMx - 02-11-2025, 03:14 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by bi3mw - 02-11-2025, 03:19 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by nablator - 02-11-2025, 03:50 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Rafal - 02-11-2025, 03:54 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by bi3mw - 02-11-2025, 04:35 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by ZamnaMx - 02-11-2025, 04:08 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Koen G - 02-11-2025, 04:14 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mauro - 02-11-2025, 04:40 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Kaybo - 02-11-2025, 08:30 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mauro - 02-11-2025, 10:08 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 03-11-2025, 08:13 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Mauro - 03-11-2025, 11:08 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Rafal - 03-11-2025, 01:30 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 28-02-2026, 08:03 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by pjburkshire - 27-02-2026, 04:14 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by JoJo_Jost - 27-02-2026, 10:36 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Aga Tentakulus - 27-02-2026, 10:44 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by JoJo_Jost - 27-02-2026, 10:49 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Aga Tentakulus - 27-02-2026, 10:56 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by pjburkshire - 27-02-2026, 11:06 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by nablator - 28-02-2026, 12:38 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Eiríkur - 28-02-2026, 02:02 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by magnesium - 28-02-2026, 01:17 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Fontanellean - 01-03-2026, 06:12 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Eiríkur - 03-03-2026, 09:09 AM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 03-03-2026, 03:35 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Grove - 15-03-2026, 12:22 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 15-03-2026, 12:43 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by nablator - 15-03-2026, 01:30 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 15-03-2026, 05:33 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Grove - 15-03-2026, 01:31 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by nablator - 15-03-2026, 06:13 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 15-03-2026, 08:51 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Grove - 15-03-2026, 06:20 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by Jorge_Stolfi - 15-03-2026, 09:08 PM
RE: Repetition of words - by ReneZ - 15-03-2026, 11:33 PM

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