17-10-2016, 08:23 PM
While I agree that you should be collecting relevant images, there would be potential problems, *if* you were considering these various examples as all equal among themselves. But as you suggest, some examples are stronger than others. And the combination of weak and strong tends to end up in dilution. Plus, the further down the line of weak examples one goes, the more problematic things become. Where does the independent origination of patterns start to occur?
Perhaps it is better to separate the strong examples and to relegate those examples less easily confirmed to an afterthought. I will give you the Isis similarities along with the two I mentioned before. What other strong examples would you include?
I can't say whether or not the VMs pattern example had a historical predecessor or an independent origin. However you seem to suggest that it must have a historical predecessor from the Hellenistic tradition.
Where did the use of the heraldic interpretation of this pattern originate? Does it have an independent origin, or is it tied to some historical precedent?
As for the VMs example, I would say the artist has shown us much better mixtures of green paint throughout the illustrations. This is a dark and gray color with a greenish tinge. Almost like it was an attempt to make a 'green based' black. If the paint was intended to be green, it could certainly have been greener, like Pisces or White Aries.
The potential combination of paint and heraldic hatching that I have seen is exclusive to the VMs. Just hold that thought when you turn the page to White Aries. The same trick is applied there, on other striped patterns. It is a basic unwritten rule in heraldry, known to the author - but probably not fully recognized in many circles these days. It is simply that the three systems of tincture designation are not used in combination. The reader needs to know this intuitively. Pick one! It greatly clarifies the situation. (Also step back to the time before these striped patterns were specified by the counting of parts.)
Then it is a matter of orientation. The radial interpretation can be seen as something imposed on images that are oriented with the natural horizontal and vertical of the page itself. This second and somewhat 'hidden' interpretive gateway opens a path with historical connections to the tradition of the red galero. Pick two! The path is clear. The pairings are in the VMs Zodiac.
Incidentally, speaking of objects being held, in the illustration posted by Diane early on, the object being held looks to me like it might be a pistil from a flower, perhaps from a daffodil, tulip or something like that, with some possible indications of potential seeds inside.
Perhaps it is better to separate the strong examples and to relegate those examples less easily confirmed to an afterthought. I will give you the Isis similarities along with the two I mentioned before. What other strong examples would you include?
I can't say whether or not the VMs pattern example had a historical predecessor or an independent origin. However you seem to suggest that it must have a historical predecessor from the Hellenistic tradition.
Where did the use of the heraldic interpretation of this pattern originate? Does it have an independent origin, or is it tied to some historical precedent?
As for the VMs example, I would say the artist has shown us much better mixtures of green paint throughout the illustrations. This is a dark and gray color with a greenish tinge. Almost like it was an attempt to make a 'green based' black. If the paint was intended to be green, it could certainly have been greener, like Pisces or White Aries.
The potential combination of paint and heraldic hatching that I have seen is exclusive to the VMs. Just hold that thought when you turn the page to White Aries. The same trick is applied there, on other striped patterns. It is a basic unwritten rule in heraldry, known to the author - but probably not fully recognized in many circles these days. It is simply that the three systems of tincture designation are not used in combination. The reader needs to know this intuitively. Pick one! It greatly clarifies the situation. (Also step back to the time before these striped patterns were specified by the counting of parts.)
Then it is a matter of orientation. The radial interpretation can be seen as something imposed on images that are oriented with the natural horizontal and vertical of the page itself. This second and somewhat 'hidden' interpretive gateway opens a path with historical connections to the tradition of the red galero. Pick two! The path is clear. The pairings are in the VMs Zodiac.
Incidentally, speaking of objects being held, in the illustration posted by Diane early on, the object being held looks to me like it might be a pistil from a flower, perhaps from a daffodil, tulip or something like that, with some possible indications of potential seeds inside.