08-12-2025, 12:27 PM
Okay, the thread didn't catch on. It happens. 
So I will share some my loose thoughts now. Maybe someone will find them helpful
- I believe f86v3 may show air as one of 4 classic elements, just like my reference.
- my reference was done probably by guy called Adriaen Collaert. He did several series of these 4 elements. You can see another set here:
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- f86v3 is crudely drawn but it contains the same stuff - clouds, birds and naked guys (possibly gods of winds). The guys are a bit hidden
but I pointed to them with red arrows
- there seems to be rain falling from the clouds and the rain is falling to the Earth:
![[Image: f086v3_crd.jpg]](https://voynich.nu/q14/f086v3_crd.jpg)
- the Earth is very faintly drawn, almost invisible. The picture seems unfinished. But in the centre there is a circle divided to three parts in a stereotypical
way how Earth was depicted:
![[Image: 17311287.jpeg?w=400]](https://justhistoryposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/17311287.jpeg?w=400)
- the nude gods of winds are actually quite weird for medieval art
They were quite common after Renessaince which rediscovered antiquity. But in Medieval Ages such imagery would be perceived as pagan, anti-Christian and frowned upon. So Voynich Manuscript feels a bit anachronistic here. Please argue if you think otherwise.
- I discovered for myself that chameleon is linked to air and appears in air element pictures. As I have written above this make the creature from 80v being a chameleon possible. He seems to sit on some cloud. He doesn't resemble a real chameleon but well, check how Scorpio in VM looks like
He actually may have some "wooly" fur that resembles sheep fur ... or clouds
- the "bubbly tissue" which appeas on several pages is clouds It wasn't clear for me if it isn't some organic tissue for example:
![[Image: Voynich_rosettes03.jpg]](https://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/Voynich_rosettes03.jpg)
Any comments?

So I will share some my loose thoughts now. Maybe someone will find them helpful
- I believe f86v3 may show air as one of 4 classic elements, just like my reference.
- my reference was done probably by guy called Adriaen Collaert. He did several series of these 4 elements. You can see another set here:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- f86v3 is crudely drawn but it contains the same stuff - clouds, birds and naked guys (possibly gods of winds). The guys are a bit hidden
but I pointed to them with red arrows
- there seems to be rain falling from the clouds and the rain is falling to the Earth:
![[Image: f086v3_crd.jpg]](https://voynich.nu/q14/f086v3_crd.jpg)
- the Earth is very faintly drawn, almost invisible. The picture seems unfinished. But in the centre there is a circle divided to three parts in a stereotypical
way how Earth was depicted:
![[Image: 17311287.jpeg?w=400]](https://justhistoryposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/17311287.jpeg?w=400)
- the nude gods of winds are actually quite weird for medieval art
They were quite common after Renessaince which rediscovered antiquity. But in Medieval Ages such imagery would be perceived as pagan, anti-Christian and frowned upon. So Voynich Manuscript feels a bit anachronistic here. Please argue if you think otherwise.
- I discovered for myself that chameleon is linked to air and appears in air element pictures. As I have written above this make the creature from 80v being a chameleon possible. He seems to sit on some cloud. He doesn't resemble a real chameleon but well, check how Scorpio in VM looks like
He actually may have some "wooly" fur that resembles sheep fur ... or clouds- the "bubbly tissue" which appeas on several pages is clouds It wasn't clear for me if it isn't some organic tissue for example:
![[Image: Voynich_rosettes03.jpg]](https://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/Voynich_rosettes03.jpg)
Any comments?


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