Can LAAFU effects be modeled?
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(04-09-2025, 12:33 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One of the problems with the Voynich MS text is its relative lack of repeating sequences of words.

Compared to what text?  What are the top "repeating sequences of words" in that text?

These are the most common two- and three- word sentences in the Herbal section of Culpeper's Herbal (17th century English). The phrases do not span paragraph or section boundaries. Capitalization was ignored. The counting was stopped after collecting the first 10000 phrases:

   136 of.the           |   17 vertues.and.use         
    73 in.the           |   14 of.the.liver             
    43 it.is            |   13 the.liver.and           
    30 and.the          |   11 of.the.body             
    26 for.the          |   10 liver.and.spleen         
    26 the.leaves       |    9 the.juyce.of             
    24 at.the           |    8 the.decoction.of         
    21 vertues.and      |    7 about.the.edges         
    19 a.little         |    7 an.herb.of               
    19 of.a             |    7 and.a.little             
    19 the.body         |    7 and.of.a                 
    19 the.liver        |    7 decoction.of.the         
    19 the.root         |    7 is.good.to               
    19 to.the           |    7 it.is.an                 
    18 is.good          |    7 obstructions.of.the     
    18 they.are         |    7 pains.in.the             
    17 and.use          |    7 the.root.is             
    17 of.them          |    6 distilled.water.of       
    17 the.decoction    |    6 end.of.the               
    17 the.juyce        |    6 in.wine.and             

Here is the same for the novel I Promessi Sposi (modern Italian), same conditions:

    42 don.abbondio     |    8 di.don.abbondio                     
    29 che.non          |    7 amor.del.cielo                       
    19 non.si           |    7 per.amor.del                         
    17 con.un           |    6 l'illustrissimo.ed.eccellentissimo   
    16 e.di             |    5 ed.eccellentissimo.signore           
    15 e.poi            |    5 qua.e.là                             
    12 a.un             |    4 bravi.e.vagabondi                   
    12 e.che            |    4 che.don.abbondio                     
    11 e.il             |    4 don.abbondio.non                     
    11 in.un            |    4 e.poi.e                             
    11 per.la           |    4 eccellentissimo.signore.il           
    10 con.la           |    4 non.so.niente                  
    10 il.mio           |    4 poi.e.poi                      
    10 quello.che       |    4 posso.aver.fallato              
     9 a.me             |    4 signore.il.signor               
     9 non.ci           |    3 a.don.abbondio                       
     8 ciò.che          |    3 a.ogni.passo                         
     8 con.voce         |    3 a.segno.che                         
     8 del.cielo        |    3 a.un.galantuomo                     
     8 di.don           |    3 a.un.tratto                         

And here is the same for the Vulgate Genesis (Latin), same conditions:

    35 super.terram     |   21 annis.et.genuit   
    32 et.genuit        |   17 filios.et.filias 
    27 in.terra         |   14 et.genuit.filios 
    21 ad.eum           |   14 genuit.filios.et 
    21 annis.et         |   10 annos.et.genuit   
    19 dominus.deus     |   10 et.mortuus.est   
    18 est.in           |   10 inter.me.et       
    18 et.filias        |    9 et.facti.sunt     
    18 filios.et        |    9 et.factum.est     
    16 cum.eo           |    9 sunt.omnes.dies   
    16 me.et            |    9 super.terram.et   
    16 postquam.genuit  |    7 facti.sunt.omnes 
    15 et.ait           |    6 dixitque.ad.eum   
    14 genuit.filios    |    6 est.ad.eum       
    13 et.dixit         |    6 est.vespere.et   
    13 terram.et        |    6 et.mane.dies     
    13 usque.ad         |    6 et.vidit.deus     
    12 caeli.et         |    6 locutus.est.ad   
    12 est.ad           |    6 me.et.te         
    12 nomen.eius       |    6 triginta.annis.et 

I conclude that

(1) English has a lot more repeated two-word phrases than Latin because of its grammar: use of prepositions rather than cases, mandatory pronouns, articles (only one of each)...

(2) Italian has fewer repeated two-word phrases than English, probably because it has inflected articles and relies on verb inflections rather than mandatory pronouns; but still has more than Latin.

(3) The amount of repeated three-word phrases, and of repeated two-word phrases excluding function words, is totally dependent on the text, not on the language.

How does Voynichese compare with those languages?

All the best, --jorge
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Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by pfeaster - 03-09-2025, 12:42 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by nablator - 03-09-2025, 02:33 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by magnesium - 03-09-2025, 05:12 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by magnesium - 03-09-2025, 06:24 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by magnesium - 03-09-2025, 06:37 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by ReneZ - 04-09-2025, 12:33 AM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by oshfdk - 04-09-2025, 08:07 AM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by RobGea - 04-09-2025, 02:06 AM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by ReneZ - 04-09-2025, 06:58 AM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by MarcoP - 04-09-2025, 08:11 AM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by ReneZ - 04-09-2025, 10:42 AM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by ReneZ - 04-09-2025, 10:54 AM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by Mauro - 04-09-2025, 12:44 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by Jorge_Stolfi - 04-09-2025, 02:00 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by nablator - 04-09-2025, 02:23 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by quimqu - 04-09-2025, 02:39 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by tavie - 04-09-2025, 02:58 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by RobGea - 04-09-2025, 03:57 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by nablator - 04-09-2025, 06:06 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by quimqu - 04-09-2025, 06:22 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by magnesium - 04-09-2025, 04:04 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by RobGea - 04-09-2025, 05:27 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by RobGea - 04-09-2025, 06:41 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by quimqu - 04-09-2025, 07:45 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by RadioFM - 04-09-2025, 08:43 PM
RE: Can LAAFU effects be modeled? - by quimqu - 04-09-2025, 09:59 PM

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