(25-06-2025, 02:37 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(24-06-2025, 09:57 PM)quimqu wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Voynich Manuscript, transcribed using the EVA alphabet
Others have already pointed this out, but it feels worth repeating: this explains a significant part of the behaviour of the graph.
Use modified transliteration alphabets and see what happens.
At least convert Ch Sh in and iin to single characters.
Also a question: are space characters treated just like normal text characters?
Your result is quite different from my results here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
where Voynichese becomes less predictable after 3 characters, but that is probably due to the way in which I treated space characters, namely as separators.
Thanks — that’s a great point, and I actually followed your suggestion to test with a modified transliteration system.
I compared EVA and CUVA transliterations (following your 'rules file' conversion provided in the site You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ). This gives a more compact alphabet. (By the way, note that in EVA and CUVA I assigned each extended character glyph a distinct Unicode).
![[Image: JbuJiHw.png]](https://i.imgur.com/JbuJiHw.png)
Interestingly, CUVA produces higher perplexity beyond n=3, which might seem counterintuitive. But here's what's happening:
- The CUVA glyphs increase entropy per character, because each unit contains more information.
- As a result, sequences become less predictable in higher-order n-grams — especially when you're conditioning on long contexts.
- So even though CUVA seems more compact, it compresses repeated structure into fewer units, reducing the surface-level redundancy that makes Voynichese so predictable under EVA.
Even in CUVA form, Voynichese is still more predictable than Latin or English — unless you use high-order n-grams, where CUVA becomes far less compressible.
Regarding Your Question About Spaces: Yes — in my case, spaces are treated as normal characters. I model character-level perplexity over the full stream, including word boundaries. This is crucial, since many of Voynichese’s patterns involve position within words (q-initial, -dy final, etc.). So the model learns transition probabilities across word endings too.
This may explain part of the divergence from your entropy graph, which treats space as a delimiter and resets statistics per word. That method is great for isolating internal word structure, while mine reflects stream-level predictability.
So in short:
- Glyph-grouping (like CUVA) affects predictability a lot — especially in high-order n-grams.
- EVA’s low perplexity seems to stem from highly redundant symbol sequences, not linguistic simplicity.
- Treating space as a token (vs delimiter) changes the entropy dynamics significantly.

