Currier A and B
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(16-01-2016, 06:53 PM)Emma May Smith wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think one problem with saying whether a label or a word occurs only in Currier A or B, is that you may not be capturing the real difference.

Well that's no problem if we have a prior agreement upon which folios are A and which are B (those folios which are uncertain may be left off).


(16-01-2016, 06:53 PM)Emma May Smith wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yet the Currier B "feature" is not either of those words but rather the bigram [ed], which is over 125 times more common in B than A.

It is better to start with these two character combinations as they are more fundamental to whether a word appears in one language or another. They are also, hopefully, more diagnostic of what the difference between A and B will turn out to be.

I think that's precisely what's the fundamental problem with the A/B definition, unless those differing n-grams (for n=2 or whatever is essential for A/B) are elementary units of Voynichese. In the latter case we could suppose that one set of n-grams is used in A exclusively, another set of n-grams is used for B exclusively, and some n-grams are used in both A and B. But even that is probably not the real case, because, AFAIK, the stats are not about complete absence of certain n-grams in A or B, just about they are to a certain extent more or less frequent.

The reasoning is as follows:

a) We have labels in the VMS;
b) A label should be an expression in itself (unless a really sophisticated encryption mechanism is in place) - in other words, it represents a certain word or a phrase, in whatever way;
c) if a label (hence - a given word or phrase) is met both in A and in B, then no matter what are the n-grams stats, I don't see what's the real linguistic difference in the underlay.

If language A/B border is not the same as the folio border, the situation might have been considered in another light, but, AFAIK, that's not the case either.
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Currier A and B - by Anton - 16-01-2016, 02:02 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Emma May Smith - 16-01-2016, 06:53 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by nablator - 29-11-2019, 04:02 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Koen G - 29-11-2019, 11:00 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by nablator - 11-12-2019, 06:30 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 16-01-2016, 07:49 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Davidsch - 09-06-2016, 11:16 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by ReneZ - 09-06-2016, 11:35 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by don of tallahassee - 11-06-2016, 02:59 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by don of tallahassee - 12-06-2016, 02:05 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by don of tallahassee - 13-06-2016, 05:51 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 09-09-2016, 03:19 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Davidsch - 09-09-2016, 03:51 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 09-09-2016, 04:08 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Davidsch - 12-09-2016, 10:42 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 12-09-2016, 02:14 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by julian - 15-09-2016, 04:18 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by Davidsch - 13-09-2016, 11:07 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by ReneZ - 13-09-2016, 12:09 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Emma May Smith - 13-09-2016, 09:40 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Davidsch - 13-09-2016, 02:11 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 13-09-2016, 09:55 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Emma May Smith - 13-09-2016, 11:34 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Koen G - 15-09-2016, 05:19 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by ReneZ - 15-09-2016, 05:57 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 15-09-2016, 08:46 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by julian - 15-09-2016, 08:30 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Emma May Smith - 15-09-2016, 09:28 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 15-09-2016, 08:43 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by -JKP- - 15-09-2016, 08:49 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by julian - 16-09-2016, 04:48 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by -JKP- - 16-09-2016, 06:07 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 15-09-2016, 10:58 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Emma May Smith - 15-09-2016, 11:42 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Koen G - 15-09-2016, 11:14 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Anton - 16-09-2016, 10:14 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by Emma May Smith - 16-09-2016, 11:11 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by Koen G - 16-09-2016, 10:44 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by Diane - 16-09-2016, 01:57 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by -JKP- - 27-04-2019, 02:16 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Koen G - 27-04-2019, 05:07 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by -JKP- - 27-04-2019, 05:14 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by ReneZ - 27-04-2019, 10:58 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Koen G - 03-05-2019, 12:31 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Wladimir D - 05-05-2019, 06:29 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by ReneZ - 03-05-2019, 01:03 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Koen G - 03-05-2019, 01:22 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by ReneZ - 03-05-2019, 01:44 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by -JKP- - 03-05-2019, 05:13 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Linda - 03-05-2019, 10:01 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by -JKP- - 03-05-2019, 10:10 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Linda - 04-05-2019, 03:38 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by -JKP- - 04-05-2019, 03:50 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by ReneZ - 30-11-2019, 08:19 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by DONJCH - 30-11-2019, 09:49 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by nickpelling - 12-12-2019, 02:09 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by ReneZ - 12-12-2019, 09:35 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by nickpelling - 12-12-2019, 11:44 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by nickpelling - 13-12-2019, 12:04 AM
RE: Currier A and B - by oeesordy - 30-03-2026, 09:42 PM
RE: Currier A and B - by Jorge_Stolfi - 07-05-2026, 05:12 PM

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