03-10-2016, 01:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-10-2016, 01:29 AM by ThomasCoon.)
Back again. I looked up all the unique [qo+benched gallows] vords to see if there are parallel [qo+gallows+ch] vords.
Here are the results: there are 41 unique [qo+bench] vords in the VMS, and 32 of them have [qo+gallows+ch] parallels - that is a 78% match:
qocthy --> qotchy
qocthol --> qotchol
qoctholy --> -------
qocthey --> qotchey
qocthedy --> qotchedy
qoctheol --> qotcheol
qocthey --> qotchey
qocthes --> qotches
qocthdy --> qotchdy
qoctho --> qotcho
qocthsy --> -------
qocthody --> qotchody
qocthor --> qotchor
qoctheody --> -------
qockhy --> qokchy
qochhdy --> qokchdy
qockhhdy --> -------
qockhey --> qokchey
qockhom --> -------
qockhor --> qokchor
qockho --> qokcho
qockheol --> qokcheol
qockhhy --> --------
qockhedy --> qokchedy
qockhol --> qokchol
qockheey --> qokcheey
qockhos --> qokchos
qockhoy --> --------
qockhol --> qokchol
qockhody --> qokchody
qockheor --> qokcheor
qockhal --> qokchal
qockhed --> qokched
qockheos --> --------
qockheedy --> qokcheedy
qocphy --> qopchy
qocphody --> qopchody
qocphdy --> qopchdy
qocphee --> -------
qocphey --> qopchey
qocfhey --> qofchey
So, while this doesn't conclusively prove that [benched gallows] = [gallows+ch], I can offer three pieces of objective, statistically-backed evidence that support this interpretation:
1) There is a clear statistical tendency for a gallows to follow [qo]
2) 78% (almost 4 out of 5) [qo+benched gallows] vords have a [qo+gallows+ch] parallel.
3) [qo+benched gallows] words can appear in similar environments as [qo+gallows+ch] words.
Anton, you are correct that that is a possibility - I will edit my post. Also, what you propose may not necessarily be mutually exclusive to options 1 and 2 (both things could occur simultaneously). Also, in the screenshot, the second <qodaiin> word is somewhere in between <y> and <q> - it doesn't have the characteristic tail of <y> nor the characteristic loop of the <q>. So, it is a bad example, and I should have found a better one.
david, I vaguely account for this in option 3: that two separate characters can be written together to represent a unique sound. Was this what you were going for when you said "If we take k and ch to be distinct phonetic letters, then there could be a mixture of phonetics to allow the glyphs to be combined in a certain fashion"?
Here are the results: there are 41 unique [qo+bench] vords in the VMS, and 32 of them have [qo+gallows+ch] parallels - that is a 78% match:
qocthy --> qotchy
qocthol --> qotchol
qoctholy --> -------
qocthey --> qotchey
qocthedy --> qotchedy
qoctheol --> qotcheol
qocthey --> qotchey
qocthes --> qotches
qocthdy --> qotchdy
qoctho --> qotcho
qocthsy --> -------
qocthody --> qotchody
qocthor --> qotchor
qoctheody --> -------
qockhy --> qokchy
qochhdy --> qokchdy
qockhhdy --> -------
qockhey --> qokchey
qockhom --> -------
qockhor --> qokchor
qockho --> qokcho
qockheol --> qokcheol
qockhhy --> --------
qockhedy --> qokchedy
qockhol --> qokchol
qockheey --> qokcheey
qockhos --> qokchos
qockhoy --> --------
qockhol --> qokchol
qockhody --> qokchody
qockheor --> qokcheor
qockhal --> qokchal
qockhed --> qokched
qockheos --> --------
qockheedy --> qokcheedy
qocphy --> qopchy
qocphody --> qopchody
qocphdy --> qopchdy
qocphee --> -------
qocphey --> qopchey
qocfhey --> qofchey
So, while this doesn't conclusively prove that [benched gallows] = [gallows+ch], I can offer three pieces of objective, statistically-backed evidence that support this interpretation:
1) There is a clear statistical tendency for a gallows to follow [qo]
2) 78% (almost 4 out of 5) [qo+benched gallows] vords have a [qo+gallows+ch] parallel.
3) [qo+benched gallows] words can appear in similar environments as [qo+gallows+ch] words.
Anton, you are correct that that is a possibility - I will edit my post. Also, what you propose may not necessarily be mutually exclusive to options 1 and 2 (both things could occur simultaneously). Also, in the screenshot, the second <qodaiin> word is somewhere in between <y> and <q> - it doesn't have the characteristic tail of <y> nor the characteristic loop of the <q>. So, it is a bad example, and I should have found a better one.
david, I vaguely account for this in option 3: that two separate characters can be written together to represent a unique sound. Was this what you were going for when you said "If we take k and ch to be distinct phonetic letters, then there could be a mixture of phonetics to allow the glyphs to be combined in a certain fashion"?


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