Why not positional variation?
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(11-05-2025, 04:07 PM)dashstofsk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I take it you are curious to know more about the funny character  m. This might be a good opportunity to say something what I think might be happening. In my opinion  m might be the same as  r. There are several pieces of evidence that led me to this possibility.

If symbols have any meaning at all, then the image you included in your post seems to me like a strong evidence that r and m are not the same. It shows two line-ending r's and two line-ending m's right on top of one another. To me it would appear strange to use two different versions of the same character this way.

The affinity statistics just show that they behave similarly, but maybe it's just a consequence of the curve-line system, if the system itself corresponds to some ground truth.

By the way, did you try doing row/column cosine similarity using the values from the affinity matrix? 

I've found a cosine similarity chart I made some time ago, I'm not sure how accurate it is, but from these numbers it looks like m is less similar to r (0.33 preceding context similarity, 0.36 following context similarity) than, say, to k or s for preceding context (similarity in character affinities vector before m or these characters) and l, -ain, y for the similarity of character affinity vector after the characters in question.

   

There is a caveat though, this chart obviously uses some custom tokenization, treating ain/aiin/am as full tokens, also I find some numbers strange. I'm not using this chart to show any specific behavior, just to reiterate that character statistics do not necessarily mean anything by themselves, in the end it's up to interpretation.

Interestingly, we seem to have been doing similar kind of computations on character statistics, but you ended up believing that the MS is likely a hoax (if I understand your position correctly), and I believe that it's most likely a (meaningful) ciphertext.
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Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 06-09-2024, 03:30 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by ReneZ - 07-09-2024, 12:46 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 07-09-2024, 09:16 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by ReneZ - 08-09-2024, 01:50 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by RadioFM - 08-09-2024, 03:57 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 18-04-2025, 05:57 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 08-09-2024, 11:43 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by RadioFM - 08-09-2024, 01:44 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 08-09-2024, 05:17 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Rafal - 08-09-2024, 09:07 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by MarcoP - 09-09-2024, 07:57 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 09-09-2024, 08:57 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by MarcoP - 09-09-2024, 09:55 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by pfeaster - 14-09-2024, 01:51 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Torsten - 14-09-2024, 04:27 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 14-09-2024, 04:54 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 09-09-2024, 10:11 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by MarcoP - 09-09-2024, 10:36 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Torsten - 09-09-2024, 11:05 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by RobGea - 09-09-2024, 07:57 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 09-09-2024, 09:00 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Torsten - 10-09-2024, 12:12 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 10-09-2024, 04:24 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Torsten - 10-09-2024, 05:37 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Barbrey - 26-09-2024, 06:43 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by RadioFM - 26-09-2024, 12:48 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Barbrey - 27-09-2024, 10:13 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Scarecrow - 27-09-2024, 07:21 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by RadioFM - 17-04-2025, 03:10 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by dashstofsk - 17-04-2025, 05:39 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Mauro - 17-04-2025, 06:47 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by dashstofsk - 19-04-2025, 07:51 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by ReneZ - 19-04-2025, 08:04 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by dashstofsk - 19-04-2025, 01:00 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 19-04-2025, 02:17 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by ReneZ - 19-04-2025, 01:08 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by dashstofsk - 19-04-2025, 02:10 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by dashstofsk - 19-04-2025, 02:51 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Mauro - 19-04-2025, 07:07 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by dashstofsk - 20-04-2025, 07:27 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by nablator - 10-05-2025, 11:51 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by dashstofsk - 11-05-2025, 04:07 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 11-05-2025, 05:00 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by dashstofsk - 11-05-2025, 06:06 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 11-05-2025, 07:51 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by nablator - 11-05-2025, 08:45 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 11-05-2025, 09:12 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by nablator - 11-05-2025, 09:23 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by R. Sale - 11-05-2025, 07:07 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 11-05-2025, 08:07 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 12-05-2025, 12:37 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by R. Sale - 11-05-2025, 09:17 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 12-05-2025, 02:03 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 12-05-2025, 03:41 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 12-05-2025, 04:17 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 12-05-2025, 04:34 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 12-05-2025, 04:35 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 12-05-2025, 04:40 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by Koen G - 12-05-2025, 04:54 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 12-05-2025, 07:40 PM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by ReneZ - 13-05-2025, 12:29 AM
RE: Why not positional variation? - by oshfdk - 13-05-2025, 08:04 AM

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