Voynichese Phonotactics
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(24-09-2016, 10:43 PM)Emma May Smith wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is the first time I've heard the third proposal regarding y. I am quite happy that ch and sh can be in both consonant and vowel positions. But y strikes me as not having the same qualities. Can it explain why y appears less commonly in the middle of words, and never before certain characters? I do believe that any theory concerning y has to account for its relationship with a.

I agree that y seems to be functioning primarily as a vowel or syllable nucleus.  But it's not clear what role it's playing when it follows a sequence of e's. E.g. ey, eey, etc.  Admittedly a vowel sound might not be inappropriate here either.  But I also think that y also seems to be a kind of counterpart to l, which seems to be primarily a consonant.

Quote:To a broader point concerning the phonology of Voynichese: if we believe ch and sh are sometimes acting as syllabic consonants we can potentially narrow down their value. Syllabic consonants are typically sonorants, so sounds like /n, m, r, l/. (I know which of those I would put my money on.)

If you're thinking that ch and Sh might represent /n/ and /m/ (not sure which would be which), then this is also a possibility that I have considered.

Quote:Though, as ever, problems arise when we consider the ends of words where ch and sh don't appear: can sonorants be forbidden in the syllable coda?

That's a good question.  I don't know.  I do know that in both Japanese and Mandarin Chinese /m/ may begin but not end a syllable, but /n/ may do both.
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Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 22-09-2016, 02:29 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Koen G - 22-09-2016, 02:36 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by MarcoP - 22-09-2016, 02:43 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 22-09-2016, 04:33 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Diane - 22-09-2016, 03:05 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by ReneZ - 23-09-2016, 07:19 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Koen G - 23-09-2016, 07:55 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 24-09-2016, 06:00 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Sam G - 24-09-2016, 09:19 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 24-09-2016, 10:43 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Sam G - 24-09-2016, 11:12 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Koen G - 24-09-2016, 06:21 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by -JKP- - 24-09-2016, 07:57 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by farmerjohn - 24-09-2016, 08:35 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Koen G - 24-09-2016, 09:17 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 24-09-2016, 11:46 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by -JKP- - 24-09-2016, 11:59 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Sam G - 25-09-2016, 12:09 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by -JKP- - 25-09-2016, 02:04 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Sam G - 04-10-2016, 04:41 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 25-09-2016, 12:09 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Sam G - 25-09-2016, 02:05 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 25-09-2016, 12:56 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Sam G - 26-09-2016, 07:50 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 26-09-2016, 11:40 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Sam G - 27-09-2016, 09:07 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 27-09-2016, 11:46 AM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by -JKP- - 25-09-2016, 02:02 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Diane - 25-09-2016, 12:40 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Koen G - 25-09-2016, 02:28 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 25-09-2016, 02:44 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by -JKP- - 25-09-2016, 03:50 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Koen G - 25-09-2016, 03:54 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by -JKP- - 25-09-2016, 03:59 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Koen G - 25-09-2016, 04:57 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by -JKP- - 25-09-2016, 05:35 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 25-09-2016, 05:54 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by -JKP- - 25-09-2016, 06:22 PM
RE: Voynichese Phonotactics - by Emma May Smith - 25-09-2016, 06:51 PM

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