23-09-2016, 04:34 AM
Koen,
It seems to be the easier questions are the ones that cause people to trip up. Your argument seems to be that there can not be representations of popes, because there would not be representations of naked popes. And therefore it appears that you believe that all the nymphs in the VMs are nude. And while that is true for the majority, it does not apply to all of them. Some are clearly drawn and painted in a way that would indicate that they are clothed. See VMs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in particular.
If representations of Hellenistic headgear can be considered a valid source of influence in the VMs, why shouldn't medieval armorial and ecclesiastical heraldry of the 13th century be considered as well? You have proposed comparisons based on visual similarities and some are quite good. My identifications also derive from visual similarities, but those comparisons are augmented by independent, positional confirmations built into the illustrations. Positional confirmations are established through proper hierarchical positioning, favored heraldic placement, page choice based of religious, sacrificial tradition and the heraldic canting of the papelonny pun. Each objective statement of location makes the subjective identification that much stronger than visual similarity alone.
It seems to be the easier questions are the ones that cause people to trip up. Your argument seems to be that there can not be representations of popes, because there would not be representations of naked popes. And therefore it appears that you believe that all the nymphs in the VMs are nude. And while that is true for the majority, it does not apply to all of them. Some are clearly drawn and painted in a way that would indicate that they are clothed. See VMs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in particular.
If representations of Hellenistic headgear can be considered a valid source of influence in the VMs, why shouldn't medieval armorial and ecclesiastical heraldry of the 13th century be considered as well? You have proposed comparisons based on visual similarities and some are quite good. My identifications also derive from visual similarities, but those comparisons are augmented by independent, positional confirmations built into the illustrations. Positional confirmations are established through proper hierarchical positioning, favored heraldic placement, page choice based of religious, sacrificial tradition and the heraldic canting of the papelonny pun. Each objective statement of location makes the subjective identification that much stronger than visual similarity alone.
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