My thoughts on the VMS
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(17-09-2016, 08:58 AM)MarcoP wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(16-09-2016, 11:00 PM)Searcher wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.JKP, Thomas, thank you for your work on the text analysis, for bringing up the issues of spaces, null words, word structure in the VMs etc. I've found many important points for myself, moreover, I want to do my bit, too. 
I've made a comparative table of word combinations (pairs) with the two VMs words: ol and qol. 
Hello Searcher,
I am not sure I understand what you mean by "word combinations (pairs)".

These occur in your pdf table:
qol olkedy
ol qotchdy
qol qotchdy
By I don't seem to be able to find them in the VMS. 

If they are Voynichese word sequences, which transcription are you using? On which folio/line are these sequences?
If they aren't word sequences, what are they?

Word pairs are word pairs, i. e. a word of interest + a previous or a next word to it.  
I think, the matter is not in the transcription (I used Takeshi Takahashi's one), I always check it on Voynichese. Probably, my mistake is that I united three variations (with e, ee and ch) in one cell. Of course, this approach based only on an assumption that they substitute each other. In fact, there are:
olkedy qol (qol olkedy) - f75v, P.3.33
qotedy qol (qol qotchdy)  - f81r, P.13
ol qoteedy (ol qotchdy) - f103v, P.4
As well, I can add ol chy and qol chy. I just have a lack of time to embrace all examples.
Anyway, I think, this table is not significant for statistics, it is rather useful in a certain theory, but the second table is more interesting, because of their similarity, location and sequence. As Thomas mentioned:

Quote:Nick Pelling posted this example of two strings that repeat on page 84r (this is the longest repeating text in the VMS), and one way that they differ is the number of <e> characters:

<f84r.P.3> shedy qokedy qokeedy qokedy  chedy okain chey
<f84r.P.10> shedy qokedy qokeedy qokeedy chedy raiin chey


On my view, in any case these words in sequence can't be verbs. They likely can be nouns and / or adjectives. For example, I will take only one variant of my interpretation in Latin for every word (consider it just as example):
f84r.P.3>    shedy     qokedy         qokeedy          qokedy          chedy     okain         chey
q-null:            avidum,  negatum      locutum,        negatum     vatem, increditum  aium
q-per-, pr-:  avidum, pernegatum procatum,     pernegatum  vatem, increditum  aium 
q-per (ref.): avidum  per negatum, per locutum, per negatum  vatem in creditum aium 
q-et (conj.): avidum et negatum,   et locutum,   et negatum vatem increditum aium
 All the rest in the section "bathes" and "recipes" is in similar vein. 
To me, the first variant looks more natural, but...  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (5-6 lines): 
                            ... ol   kedy   okedy  qoky  okeedy  qokey  qokedy  okedy  qokeedy  okeedy shedy  qoky...
a) with q-presence - os catum negatum procum locutum  proquam pernegatum locutum  procatum locutum avidum procum...
b) without q -          os catum negatum logum   locutum  inquam    negatum      negatum locutum   locutum avidum logum
 There is not only a strange repetition, but 11 words in sequence with the ending "y".
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My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 07-07-2016, 10:00 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Anton - 07-07-2016, 11:47 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 09-09-2016, 12:33 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 09-09-2016, 01:36 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by stellar - 26-09-2016, 12:00 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 09-09-2016, 02:56 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Emma May Smith - 09-09-2016, 09:57 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 09-09-2016, 12:44 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ReneZ - 09-09-2016, 10:22 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Davidsch - 09-09-2016, 12:07 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by MarcoP - 09-09-2016, 01:15 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 09-09-2016, 01:43 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by MarcoP - 09-09-2016, 02:15 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 09-09-2016, 02:43 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by MarcoP - 09-09-2016, 03:46 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 09-09-2016, 08:13 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by stellar - 09-09-2016, 10:44 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 26-09-2016, 03:54 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by MarcoP - 28-09-2016, 11:38 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 28-09-2016, 07:35 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 28-09-2016, 08:01 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by davidjackson - 09-09-2016, 01:20 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Diane - 09-09-2016, 08:54 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 09-09-2016, 11:04 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by MarcoP - 10-09-2016, 08:23 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Wladimir D - 10-09-2016, 07:19 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 15-09-2016, 02:28 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 15-09-2016, 06:23 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by MarcoP - 16-09-2016, 11:32 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 16-09-2016, 09:01 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 15-09-2016, 03:29 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 15-09-2016, 06:38 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 16-09-2016, 01:23 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Wladimir D - 15-09-2016, 08:34 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 15-09-2016, 08:41 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by farmerjohn - 16-09-2016, 07:45 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Anton - 16-09-2016, 10:26 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ReneZ - 16-09-2016, 01:47 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Anton - 16-09-2016, 02:15 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Emma May Smith - 16-09-2016, 04:46 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 16-09-2016, 05:06 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Anton - 16-09-2016, 06:09 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Searcher - 16-09-2016, 11:00 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 17-09-2016, 12:00 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 17-09-2016, 03:17 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 17-09-2016, 03:30 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 17-09-2016, 07:04 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Wladimir D - 17-09-2016, 06:51 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Emma May Smith - 17-09-2016, 07:07 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 17-09-2016, 02:28 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by MarcoP - 17-09-2016, 08:58 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Searcher - 17-09-2016, 10:16 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Koen G - 17-09-2016, 06:42 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by Emma May Smith - 25-09-2016, 10:47 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 28-09-2016, 01:44 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 28-09-2016, 08:06 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 28-09-2016, 05:55 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by ThomasCoon - 01-10-2016, 07:12 PM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by -JKP- - 02-10-2016, 01:17 AM
RE: My thoughts on the VMS - by stellar - 02-10-2016, 09:12 AM

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