(17-09-2016, 08:58 AM)MarcoP wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(16-09-2016, 11:00 PM)Searcher wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.JKP, Thomas, thank you for your work on the text analysis, for bringing up the issues of spaces, null words, word structure in the VMs etc. I've found many important points for myself, moreover, I want to do my bit, too.Hello Searcher,
I've made a comparative table of word combinations (pairs) with the two VMs words: ol and qol.
I am not sure I understand what you mean by "word combinations (pairs)".
These occur in your pdf table:
qol olkedy
ol qotchdy
qol qotchdy
By I don't seem to be able to find them in the VMS.
If they are Voynichese word sequences, which transcription are you using? On which folio/line are these sequences?
If they aren't word sequences, what are they?
Word pairs are word pairs, i. e. a word of interest + a previous or a next word to it.
I think, the matter is not in the transcription (I used Takeshi Takahashi's one), I always check it on Voynichese. Probably, my mistake is that I united three variations (with e, ee and ch) in one cell. Of course, this approach based only on an assumption that they substitute each other. In fact, there are:
olkedy qol (qol olkedy) - f75v, P.3.33
qotedy qol (qol qotchdy) - f81r, P.13
ol qoteedy (ol qotchdy) - f103v, P.4
As well, I can add ol chy and qol chy. I just have a lack of time to embrace all examples.
Anyway, I think, this table is not significant for statistics, it is rather useful in a certain theory, but the second table is more interesting, because of their similarity, location and sequence. As Thomas mentioned:
Quote:Nick Pelling posted this example of two strings that repeat on page 84r (this is the longest repeating text in the VMS), and one way that they differ is the number of <e> characters:
<f84r.P.3> shedy qokedy qokeedy qokedy chedy okain chey
<f84r.P.10> shedy qokedy qokeedy qokeedy chedy raiin chey
On my view, in any case these words in sequence can't be verbs. They likely can be nouns and / or adjectives. For example, I will take only one variant of my interpretation in Latin for every word (consider it just as example):
f84r.P.3> shedy qokedy qokeedy qokedy chedy okain chey
q-null: avidum, negatum locutum, negatum vatem, increditum aium
q-per-, pr-: avidum, pernegatum procatum, pernegatum vatem, increditum aium
q-per (ref.): avidum per negatum, per locutum, per negatum vatem in creditum aium
q-et (conj.): avidum et negatum, et locutum, et negatum vatem increditum aium
All the rest in the section "bathes" and "recipes" is in similar vein.
To me, the first variant looks more natural, but... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (5-6 lines):
... ol kedy okedy qoky okeedy qokey qokedy okedy qokeedy okeedy shedy qoky...
a) with q-presence - os catum negatum procum locutum proquam pernegatum locutum procatum locutum avidum procum...
b) without q - os catum negatum logum locutum inquam negatum negatum locutum locutum avidum logum
There is not only a strange repetition, but 11 words in sequence with the ending "y".

