12-08-2024, 08:46 PM
About Patrick's presentation, it's making me wonder the same thing that usually crosses my mind whenever we enter the realm of steganography, nulls, verbose ciphers etc. In other words, whenever the true information has to be filtered out from the surrounding non-information. And that is the following:
If we remove all non-information loops, what are we left with? What does the actual information look like? Where is the actual information in Voynichese? If we isolate it, does it look "normal"?
And if the isolated hypothetical information does not look "normal", then what kind of system are we looking at?
And if we don't know what kind of system we're looking at, then how can we know that the parts we just trimmed were non-informative in the first place?
For example, if I give you the low-entropy sequence "100 101 111 111 111", you don't really know which system I am using. Am I trying to write binary? A large number with space as separator? Something else entirely?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, that as long as we don't know how information is encoded in any hypothetical meaningful part, we also cannot say whether low-entropy parts are meaningless. As long as we don't know the system, we cannot say what is a part of it and what isn't.
If we remove all non-information loops, what are we left with? What does the actual information look like? Where is the actual information in Voynichese? If we isolate it, does it look "normal"?
And if the isolated hypothetical information does not look "normal", then what kind of system are we looking at?
And if we don't know what kind of system we're looking at, then how can we know that the parts we just trimmed were non-informative in the first place?
For example, if I give you the low-entropy sequence "100 101 111 111 111", you don't really know which system I am using. Am I trying to write binary? A large number with space as separator? Something else entirely?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, that as long as we don't know how information is encoded in any hypothetical meaningful part, we also cannot say whether low-entropy parts are meaningless. As long as we don't know the system, we cannot say what is a part of it and what isn't.


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