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As a general remark about this thread, it would be good if we could stick to arguments and stay far away from ad hominems. Involving other participants' character, qualifications etc is not going to help us.



That said, I don't see how arguments will help us here either, since the whole thing is so convoluted. If I were to check back here in a month, my money would be on nobody having changed their opinion about the core of the matter.

I absolutely agree with you on the use of ad hominems, Koen, and thank you for saying this.

I also agree that there is no changing minds here, but also would say that I am not so sure that is anyone's actual intent. It is not mine. In these discussions, sometimes heated, it is ideas that go head to head. And I think all of use learn how the others think, the evidence they consider, how they form their opinions, what is evidence and what is fact... and so much more.

Even the ad hominems tell me something, even though they are not a good idea and shouldn't ever be used.

But actually much has changed in this discussion. The goal posts have moved in all directions, all over the court, and that actually surprised me. Some of these issues have been hashed out for years, with very little movement, and some have actually moved. That may not be as apparent to some who are newer to the field, or otherwise innocently unaware of some of the more esoteric details of the investigation... but this minutia is all profoundly important, whatever position one holds.

This is the first entire Ninja thread of which I have saved, in fact. It is to me a sort of microcosm of the whole genuine/fake discussion, with almost every type of argument and detail discussed to the best of everyone's best ability. It is fascinating to me, and very valuable, moving forward.

But one other thing: This discussion has not, and will not, change the minds of anyone here... or, I think it will not... but this has drawn a great deal of interest to the Voynich community as a whole, and actually enlightened others to points they were previously unaware of. Several have written to me, personally... a few people I had never heard from before, because of this. And I'm sure it has been the same case for my friendly opposition, arguing against my ideas.

TLDR: No more ad hominems, I agree; and no minds will be changed here; but the conversation has been, and will continue to be, IMHO, valuable, interesting and informative for many, and for years to come.

All the best, Rich