Separable "words"
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(12-01-2024, 08:30 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What Massimiliano Zattera and yourself have in common is a misunderstanding of the meaning of a transliteration alphabet
Hi, Rene, thank you for responding. Ever since you explained to me that EVA was only transliteration alphabet, I have been studying it in order to see why I recognized so many Slovenian words when using EVA as transcription alphabet. The reason is simple: There is enough Slovenian words that can be transcribed into Voynich using EVA transcription, because for many letters, transliteration and translation alphabets overlap. And when Slovenian transcription alphabet overlaps with Latin, the EVA letters could be considered as useful for transcription and translation from Voynich to Slovenian.
An example of all three alphabets (EVA transliteration, transcription, translation is the word DAR, which is transliterated the same way with Slovenian transliteration alphabet into Latin word DAR, which happens to be the same transcription for Slovenian word DAR, which means 'gift, offering'.
Adding a suffix y , we get the word DARY (EVA transliteration into Latin, which is also Slovenian transliteration into Latin alphabet). Since some medieval Slovenians used exactly the same spelling DARY for the plural of DAR, Y could also be used for transcription into medieval Slovenian. However, with the appearance of letter-shape j, the use of y in Slovenian medieval writing was abandoned. Instead of y, the letters i or j (in some cases ij or ji) were used.
The combination of EVA words DAL DAR (transliterated the same way with Slovenian transliteration alphabet) means 'gave offering', 'gave gift'. That means, that EVA L can also be considered proper letter for transliteration, transcription into Latin letters, and transcription into Slovenian from Latin, and consequently for the translation.
This means that the words DAL DAR could be just as well written in numbers or any different signs, as long as they are consistently used. I did not see the EVA equivalent of the VM glyph that looks exactly like Latin u. While it is true that any symbol (letter, number, or shape) can be used for transliteration, when there is no distinction between VM letter shape that looks like u and ee, and consequently between eu and eee, uu and eeee, eu and eee, this gets problematic. In this case, the insufficient transliteration only effects the number of vowels. Those who regard EVA e as their transliteration letter c, would end up with the same incorrect number of consonants cc for EVA ee, ccc for EVA eee, cccc for EVA eeee. In this case, the number of consonants would increase.
For me, it would not make any difference if the Voynich U (with solid curved connecting line at the bottom were designated as EVA +, $, or whatever, as long as it would be distinct. In my transliteration, I can see over 6100 u-like shapes. I was also not able to find an equivalent for W. 
I suppose all that reference to DAIN, DAIIN and similarity of the Voynich glyphs to Latin letters is confusing, since our brain tends to make sense out of nonsense, and compares EVA to Latin equivalents. The closer these equivalents are to Latin alphabet, the closer the transliteration alphabet overlaps with transcription alphabet into Latin letters. Since Latin letters were used in most medieval European languages, transcription into Latin should be the first step that would enable us to recognize the writing convention - the adaptation of Latin letters to different vernacular languages. The Voynich alphabet is unique for Slovenian sounds. It was written in expectation of Church reforms and the use of vernacular letters in liturgy, and it ended with the invention of the printing presses, since printing presses were adopted for Italian, German or Hungarian. Slovenian medieval books are written in all three of those writing conventions, that is why it is almost impossible to get comparative text, particularly when computer analysis is based on contemporary Slovenian articles from Wikipedia.

What I am doing in my research is two-fold: My transliteration is matched with ZL transliteration, to avoid self-bias. After some basic adjustments to transform phonetic to written Slovenian, the spelling is matched to written medieval Slovenian. That is when real problems start, because often, many different Latin letters are used for the same Slovenian sound, or one Latin letter is used for different Slovenian sounds. It was not uncommon that the same word was spelled in five different ways.

 However, when over 100 most frequently used Voynich words, transliterated and transcribed with Slovenian alphabet (in many of these words, EVA transliteration,  Latin and Slovenian transcription overlap) can generate meaningful Slovenian words, without or with minor adjustments according to Slovenian grammatical rules, it is more likely the language is Slovenian as it was spoken in the 15th century, than any other. Taking into account the other clues Voynich researchers have found in the VM, supports this theory.
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Separable "words" - by dfs346 - 08-01-2024, 09:41 AM
RE: Separable "words" - by Csan99 - 11-01-2024, 04:22 PM
RE: Separable "words" - by cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 12-01-2024, 08:01 AM
RE: Separable "words" - by ReneZ - 12-01-2024, 08:30 AM
RE: Separable "words" - by nablator - 12-01-2024, 09:45 AM
RE: Separable "words" - by Rafal - 12-01-2024, 02:44 PM
RE: Separable "words" - by cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 12-01-2024, 09:20 PM
RE: Separable "words" - by dfs346 - 13-01-2024, 10:22 PM

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