15-02-2023, 08:59 PM
(15-02-2023, 10:49 AM)MarcoP wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Yulia,Hi Marco!
it's great to read from you!
The hypothesis you discuss addresses one of the major problems of Voynichese and it has been put forward in the past (e.g. by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but I am sure by others as well).
A first problem I see is that repetition is quite pervasive in the VMS. Where do we stop throwing stuff away? Your example includes a repetition with edit:2 distance (from9 9from). Is that the maximum edit distance for irrelevant words? Edit distance (which I am using here to keep things simple) is a totally anachronistic way to decide what to keep and what to dump, what should be used instead? In a sequence of similar words, do we keep the first one, the last one or there is some different criterium?
I'm afraid that I meant something slightly different, well, at least it's definitely not about edit distance. My idea is not so smart. Everything is simple here: if one word is repeated several times in a row in a continuous sequence, then all its duplicates are garbage. The "9" attached to the words in my example was optional, I just added it as a null (or garbage) to more plausibly convey the situation in the Voynich text. In fact, I could make it like this:
When Tämerlin returned home home from from Babiloni, he he he sent word to all in his land that they were were to be ready in four months, as he wanted to go into Lesser India, distant from from from from his capital a four months’ journey. When the time came, he went into Lesser India with four hundred thousand men men, and crossed a desert...
or like this:
When Tämerlin re9turned home 9home from from Babiloni, he he he sent9 9word9 to all in9 his land that they were were to be ready in four 9mon9ths, as he w9anted to go into 9Lesser India, distant from from from9 9from his capital9 a four months’ journey. When the9 time9 came, he went into 9Lesser In9dia with four hundred thousand men9 men, and crossed a desert...
Using 9 as a null in my example I don't mean the voynich y is a null, it's just for example. In fact, you know that I consider q null to be that one.
My approach is based on simply reducing the chain of duplicated words to one word, that is, if the string contains the following sequence: "chedy chedy qokedy otedy chol okedy qokedy qokedy", then it can probably be reduced to "chedy qokedy otedy chol shol okedy qokedy", or"chedy okedy otedy chol shol okedy" if we assume that "q" is a null. Obviously, if we take away only absolute duplications, it doesn't change characteristics of the text too much.
For example (the last paragraph of f75r):
polshy dal shedy qokain das chsdy shedy qokar shedy ldy
qokeey lshedy qol chedy qokain chcthedy ltedy darom
solkedy okal dar oty otar otar ol kain olkedy
qokain sheety qokain dar dar shedy qokar ol dy
sol keedy qokeedy qokey okar otar dar dar dy
qokedy dy sheety qokedy qokchdy qokechdy lol
qokeedy qokeedy qokedy qokedy qokeedy ldy
yshedy qokeedy qokchdy olkeedy otey koldy
dar shedy qokain shedy dal keedy rshedy
sokeedy qokeedy oteedy qoky dykeedy sy
dshedy qokedy c qoteey qoteedy dar
We can take away every next vord that duplicates previous. In this case, the text will be reduced, but not too much. The rest is a deal of experiments and observations (q = null? e = ee = eee? i = ii = iii?, etc.)
The solution I proposed will certainly not change the low entropy of words, for this I have several other assumptions, one of which is suggests that some words could be broken into two or three parts, I think that sholchol, for example, will have higher entropy than shol and chol. I'm just wondering how much the removal of duplicate words, experimenting with "q" and "e"s would affect the test results.
One more example:
the sun is shin ing ing ing bright bring ing a wa ving light but it is is still cold.
On my view, this phrase reflects all the VMs characteristics:
1. short vords;
2. duplicating vords;
3. similar vords that differ with only 1 or 2 characters;
4. literary consonance and assonance (repeating of the same letter in a group of the close words in a phrase).
It is a question whether it is possible to use such devices with the big volume of text, and perhaps the author chose his/her dictionary not randomly, but carefully, using creative approach and poetical devices.

