Are the 1430s the most likely date range for the Zodiac drawings?

[Mark Knowles]

Now looking for baggy sleeves in Lauber (which I already marked as an exception, an easy to spot separate case) is redundant.

And this is why I find this thread annoying, because Mark said "let's pick some cherries", and like that we lose track of the bigger picture.

Marking certain things as exceptions is the essence of cherry picking.

If one marks all examples from after 1430 as "exceptions" and then concludes on the basis of the remaining data that the drawing dates from before 1430 then one has engineered one's conclusion.