Sleeve focus thread

[Mark Knowles]

The quote about the Devonshire Hunting Tapestries that you provide is:

"Bagpipe sleeves seen in the tapestry went out of fashion around 1430."

I think the crucial word here is "around". The word is not "by". For example 1432 is around 1430.

So I don't think one can say, as Koen does: "This provides a hypothetical upper limit for the male dress, which may or may not be challenged by our exercise." as the word "around" does not indicate an "upper limit".

And given that we are talking about "Devonshire" hunting tapestries, we are talking about England.

So is the author saying?

"Bagpipe sleeves seen in the tapestry went out of fashion around 1430 IN ENGLAND."

or

"Bagpipe sleeves seen in the tapestry went out of fashion around 1430 IN EUROPE."