Lipogrammatic text
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(18-04-2021, 05:25 PM)MarcoP wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I agree. The text in the actual examples is perfectly grammatical and of course it behaves like language. The lipogram exercise is only interesting if you produce a correct text; anything else would be trivial and doesn't even qualify as a lipogram.

A kind of statistics that is obviously affected is the list of the most frequent words. I compared You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with an extract by Dumas of a similar length. Four of the 10 top words by Dumas are in the top 20 by Perec. The exceptions are:
  • 5 words that contain 'e'
  • 'vous'
The difference between Currier A and B is much more dramatic (only daiin is consistenlty present among the high-ranking words).

Here I have plotted conditional entropy vs MATTR200 for the files in Brian Cham's corpus. I also included Currier A and B from the VMS (ZL transliteration) and the Perec and Dumas files. This shows that lipograms have no significant effect on these two measures.

Marco, thank you for this analysis. I would be curious to see what effect my "extreme lipogram" English text of 953 words with no use of the letters A, B, and C has on such statistics as the most frequent words, conditional entropy, etc. I know it will not have the statistical structure of the Voynich ms text. But I am just wondering how different it will be from normal English, and in which ways, and how such things show up in various statistical measures. As far as I know, it may be the only example of an "extreme lipogram" text with multiple letters excluded from the same text in a lipogrammatic style.
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Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 01:45 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 05:18 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 05:12 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 15-04-2021, 05:13 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 05:43 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 09:38 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by DonaldFisk - 16-04-2021, 01:47 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 10:19 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 16-04-2021, 04:30 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 16-04-2021, 04:41 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 17-04-2021, 06:22 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by nablator - 17-04-2021, 08:29 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 17-04-2021, 08:58 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by MarcoP - 18-04-2021, 08:57 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by nablator - 18-04-2021, 10:09 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 17-04-2021, 10:23 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 18-04-2021, 10:54 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 02:00 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Koen G - 18-04-2021, 11:33 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 18-04-2021, 11:44 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Koen G - 18-04-2021, 12:34 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 04:28 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 05:36 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 18-04-2021, 04:39 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by MarcoP - 18-04-2021, 05:25 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 05:46 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by MarcoP - 18-04-2021, 06:30 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 05:48 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 05:57 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 06:08 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 06:14 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 06:31 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 06:34 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by MarcoP - 18-04-2021, 08:26 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 08:34 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Koen G - 18-04-2021, 08:49 PM

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