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(18-04-2021, 12:34 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Certainly, especially with a frequent vowel like [e], English would take a serious hit. What I mean is that if we'd look at the result as a new language (so not specifically spot the differences with normal English), any stat you can think of would be well within the range of normal linguistic behavior.

Hi Koen,
I agree. The text in the actual examples is perfectly grammatical and of course it behaves like language. The lipogram exercise is only interesting if you produce a correct text; anything else would be trivial and doesn't even qualify as a lipogram.

A kind of statistics that is obviously affected is the list of the most frequent words. I compared You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with an extract by Dumas of a similar length. Four of the 10 top words by Dumas are in the top 20 by Perec. The exceptions are:
  • 5 words that contain 'e'
  • 'vous'
The difference between Currier A and B is much more dramatic (only daiin is consistenlty present among the high-ranking words).
   

Here I have plotted conditional entropy vs MATTR200 for the files in Brian Cham's corpus. I also included Currier A and B from the VMS (ZL transliteration) and the Perec and Dumas files. This shows that lipograms have no significant effect on these two measures.

   
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Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 01:45 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 05:18 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 05:12 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 15-04-2021, 05:13 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 05:43 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 09:38 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by DonaldFisk - 16-04-2021, 01:47 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2021, 10:19 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 16-04-2021, 04:30 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 16-04-2021, 04:41 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 17-04-2021, 06:22 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by nablator - 17-04-2021, 08:29 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 17-04-2021, 08:58 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by MarcoP - 18-04-2021, 08:57 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by nablator - 18-04-2021, 10:09 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 17-04-2021, 10:23 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 18-04-2021, 10:54 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 02:00 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Koen G - 18-04-2021, 11:33 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 18-04-2021, 11:44 AM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Koen G - 18-04-2021, 12:34 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 04:28 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 05:36 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Anton - 18-04-2021, 04:39 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by MarcoP - 18-04-2021, 05:25 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 05:46 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by MarcoP - 18-04-2021, 06:30 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 05:48 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 05:57 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 06:08 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 06:14 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2021, 06:31 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 06:34 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by MarcoP - 18-04-2021, 08:26 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by davidjackson - 18-04-2021, 08:34 PM
RE: Lipogrammatic text - by Koen G - 18-04-2021, 08:49 PM

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