27-05-2016, 06:30 AM
Dear JKP,
Thanks for trying to understand my points. And for agreeing with some of them.
I think the matter of position in lines of words will depend most on what the subject of the book is and how the info is being transmitted (what each of the six code groups are doing or about).
The first group of codes (Group I) I think I have found is large enough for the kind of thing I think you are talking about. I don't know if the other groups (Groups II through VI) each have enough members to be able to do much in showing grammar.
But, I don't think I fully grasp your grammar parts idea. Is this like a base word with additions that show it is an infinitive because of an appended code and a verb because of another code? And the next word's base word is modified by showing it to be a noun and plural.
Or is it nearer to the base word 'pend' being modified by adding 'com' to the front and "ium" to the other end? The 'ium' ending would maybe be used for all past participles or some such?
Or am I missing some basic part of your explanation? Could you send me a draft copy of this part of your work, please. I'm always seeking new explanations that may work better than my own ideas. I won't be picky about the loose ends.
I think you imply/say the VMS is about a made-up language the author also developed in conjunction with the glyph idea and the code group idea.
Are you propounding some sort of readable text instead of lists of things? That would make more sense than my ideas of what it's all about.
If the VMS instead shows some type of early Fifteenth Century lists of things, one of the problems is trying to find things that can be included in a list of possible subjects for the VMS that would employ the different groups shown in each word. So far I've come up with herbal potion ingredients for medicinal potions (dill, seeds, 2 grains), alchemy ingredients in formulas (Philosopher's stone, the red kind, dry, 6 pinches), metallurgical ingredients in formulas (iron oxide, the red kind, 6 hundredweight), census/Domesday book entries for some city, duchy or kingdom or other such (serf/archer, 6, expert with longbow, with 200 arrows, with hand cart). Diane O"Donovan thought of modern-day auto parts lists. That got me to remembering the type of nomenclature used (and also encoded) in the old US Army lists (M151A2, Jeep, without top, with M1 machine gun mounting, camouflage paint color).
What other topics might have required a 220 page book to enumerate the elements?
To get back to the word position question - if The VMS is a list of things or group of lists of things, it may not matter so much where in a line a word appears, maybe not at all. If a VMS paragraph shows recipes, metallurgical processes, alchemy potions, or lists amounts and kinds of different soldiers/laborers, the placement of a word (ingredient) within any given line may be entirely at the whim of the author or compiler. And I think we both agree the author of the VMS was great at devising puzzling ways of doing things that helped to hide his purposes and secrets. The EVA = m glyph at the end of three consecutive lines on a page may be more the result of intentional meddling by the author than anything else. I notice there are lines with words ending in EVA = m that aren't at the end of a line on some pages. I think I even remember one such word appearing in the middle of a line with another one at the end of the line.
One of my earlier comparisons of the VMS words was to the early IBM punch cards with information to be encoded into designated fields using code tables for some/all fields. If no info was encoded for a field, the machine and the human reader could still figure out what was being encoded for the other fields because there were rules to consistently be followed for each card's set of fields. That is the same as the deconstruction sequence I envision, except the punch cards were read starting from the left - not in accordance with the right end, left end, middle mantra of the VMS deconstruction sequence.
Please let me know more about your take on things Voynich. You can send the work/results/drafts to me at:
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I think I have the other kind of personality - I've been trying to show all my work's results as it progressed since I figured out the sounds for the first fifteen or so glyphs five years ago (10 or 11 March 2011 - on the Voynich-List) and worked from there. (Yeah, I started my journey on the far side of nowhere to get to the deconstruction ideas.)
Thank you.
Don of Tallahassee
Thanks for trying to understand my points. And for agreeing with some of them.
I think the matter of position in lines of words will depend most on what the subject of the book is and how the info is being transmitted (what each of the six code groups are doing or about).
The first group of codes (Group I) I think I have found is large enough for the kind of thing I think you are talking about. I don't know if the other groups (Groups II through VI) each have enough members to be able to do much in showing grammar.
But, I don't think I fully grasp your grammar parts idea. Is this like a base word with additions that show it is an infinitive because of an appended code and a verb because of another code? And the next word's base word is modified by showing it to be a noun and plural.
Or is it nearer to the base word 'pend' being modified by adding 'com' to the front and "ium" to the other end? The 'ium' ending would maybe be used for all past participles or some such?
Or am I missing some basic part of your explanation? Could you send me a draft copy of this part of your work, please. I'm always seeking new explanations that may work better than my own ideas. I won't be picky about the loose ends.
I think you imply/say the VMS is about a made-up language the author also developed in conjunction with the glyph idea and the code group idea.
Are you propounding some sort of readable text instead of lists of things? That would make more sense than my ideas of what it's all about.
If the VMS instead shows some type of early Fifteenth Century lists of things, one of the problems is trying to find things that can be included in a list of possible subjects for the VMS that would employ the different groups shown in each word. So far I've come up with herbal potion ingredients for medicinal potions (dill, seeds, 2 grains), alchemy ingredients in formulas (Philosopher's stone, the red kind, dry, 6 pinches), metallurgical ingredients in formulas (iron oxide, the red kind, 6 hundredweight), census/Domesday book entries for some city, duchy or kingdom or other such (serf/archer, 6, expert with longbow, with 200 arrows, with hand cart). Diane O"Donovan thought of modern-day auto parts lists. That got me to remembering the type of nomenclature used (and also encoded) in the old US Army lists (M151A2, Jeep, without top, with M1 machine gun mounting, camouflage paint color).
What other topics might have required a 220 page book to enumerate the elements?
To get back to the word position question - if The VMS is a list of things or group of lists of things, it may not matter so much where in a line a word appears, maybe not at all. If a VMS paragraph shows recipes, metallurgical processes, alchemy potions, or lists amounts and kinds of different soldiers/laborers, the placement of a word (ingredient) within any given line may be entirely at the whim of the author or compiler. And I think we both agree the author of the VMS was great at devising puzzling ways of doing things that helped to hide his purposes and secrets. The EVA = m glyph at the end of three consecutive lines on a page may be more the result of intentional meddling by the author than anything else. I notice there are lines with words ending in EVA = m that aren't at the end of a line on some pages. I think I even remember one such word appearing in the middle of a line with another one at the end of the line.
One of my earlier comparisons of the VMS words was to the early IBM punch cards with information to be encoded into designated fields using code tables for some/all fields. If no info was encoded for a field, the machine and the human reader could still figure out what was being encoded for the other fields because there were rules to consistently be followed for each card's set of fields. That is the same as the deconstruction sequence I envision, except the punch cards were read starting from the left - not in accordance with the right end, left end, middle mantra of the VMS deconstruction sequence.
Please let me know more about your take on things Voynich. You can send the work/results/drafts to me at:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
I think I have the other kind of personality - I've been trying to show all my work's results as it progressed since I figured out the sounds for the first fifteen or so glyphs five years ago (10 or 11 March 2011 - on the Voynich-List) and worked from there. (Yeah, I started my journey on the far side of nowhere to get to the deconstruction ideas.)
Thank you.
Don of Tallahassee