03-09-2019, 06:36 AM
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(03-09-2019, 05:50 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Torsten,
The purpose of my post was not at all to address your paper.
René, you argue that you expect to see some random results for the self-citation method and you falsely suggest that repeated self-copying has something in common with Gordon Ruggs Cardan Grill hypothesis:
(30-08-2019, 06:52 PM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If all of the VMs text is somehow the result of a random process, in the style of Rugg or Timm, then we would see something different.
This clearly addresses the self-citation method described in my paper. You also characterize the self-citation method as some random process.
Please note that in our paper we "presented some evidence that not only frequency and similarity of tokens are correlated, but also similarity and relative position. The closer two words are (with respect to their edit distance), the more likely these words also can be found written in close vicinity (i.e. on the same page)" (Timm & Schinner 2019, p 6). With other words we argue that the VMS-text is far from random. Moreover our argumentation for a meaningless text is: "the high regularities of the VMS text significantly limit the maximal amount of information possibly hidden within the 'container', virtually rendering it useless" (Timm & Schinner 2019, p. 17).
(03-09-2019, 05:50 AM)ReneZ wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For any explanation that involves arbitrary text generation, like Gordon Rugg's or yours, it requires that 'something different' must have been done. Your earlier answer to a similar argument (where I didn't actually compute any probability figure) did not argue that this was not the case.
Back in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I clearly say that it is something different: "For the self-citation method it is something different if you write text or if you write labels."
In our paper we write: "As for the actual selection process of source words, it is clear from the results of section 2 (as well as simply suggested by the scribe's convenience) that they are to be chosen at least from the same page." (Timm & Schinner 2019, p 10). We also say "However, all pages containing at least some lines of text do have in common that pairs of frequently used words with high mutual similarity appear." (Timm & Schinner 2019, p 3). With other words, the resonance effect requires at lease some amount of text. This means for the self-citation method it is expected that more repetition exists for pages full of text and more unique words for pages containing less text. A page using many labels did contain less words than a page full of text. Therefore a different outcome is expected (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., p. 7ff).

