31-08-2019, 11:16 AM
(This post was last modified: 31-08-2019, 11:18 AM by Mark Knowles.)
RobGea says:
"Quick list of ways a single label could apply to multiple things:
Attributes / properties
Relationships / mappings
Numeric / quantities
Multiple meanings
Multiple encryptions
Multiple languages
Multiple sounds/Homonymy
Categories
Metadata
Nonsense"
I think this is a good list.
I will take them one by one.
1) It is hard to imagine that a star, a nymph, a pipe, a plant and a rosette feature could have a common property unless the property is so generic that it is pretty superfluous to in practice by meaningles i.e. properties like "good", "bad", "beautiful". This also doesn't explain the similar spellings of repeated words.
2) If we have a relationship mapping such as "figure 2" for repeated labels then we would expect that that text to be referred to in the accompanying text on or near the page with the label on. Alternatively the text would have to occur in a glossary such as the large body of text at the end of the manuscript. This possibilities fall apart on expectation.
3) As far as these repeated words being numbers then one would seem to argue that the words of the format "ok..." or "ot..." would constitute numbers. But what could these numbers mean? If a lone star or nymph etc. has an attached number then how are we to interpret them.
4) I would think when talking about multiple meanings then this is reference to abbreviations or different interpretations of the same word. In practice when the author is reading the text back I would think it often very hard for the author to divine what the intended meaning was as labels tend to be unique plus specific and if the author was already able to identify the item then the label would be unnecessary. Most importantly the very similar spelling of the repeated words does not fit well with this hypothesis.
4) If we have multiple encryptions then presumably the idea is that each page of set of pages has a different encryption key. Where do we find this key? Again most importantly why do the repeated words have similar spellings then, this does not seem consistent.
5) With multiple languages again we have the problem with repeated label words having similar spellings.
6 & 7) Regarding these two I will look up what is intended precisely by these elsewhere in the comments.
8) This is the possibility that makes most sense to me. However I think this only applies to the repeated label words with similar spellings. I believe there is no reason to expect the other label words to be nonsense.
JKP: My point is there seems to be a little more talk of TTR on this thread than is really justified given its limitations.
"Quick list of ways a single label could apply to multiple things:
Attributes / properties
Relationships / mappings
Numeric / quantities
Multiple meanings
Multiple encryptions
Multiple languages
Multiple sounds/Homonymy
Categories
Metadata
Nonsense"
I think this is a good list.
I will take them one by one.
1) It is hard to imagine that a star, a nymph, a pipe, a plant and a rosette feature could have a common property unless the property is so generic that it is pretty superfluous to in practice by meaningles i.e. properties like "good", "bad", "beautiful". This also doesn't explain the similar spellings of repeated words.
2) If we have a relationship mapping such as "figure 2" for repeated labels then we would expect that that text to be referred to in the accompanying text on or near the page with the label on. Alternatively the text would have to occur in a glossary such as the large body of text at the end of the manuscript. This possibilities fall apart on expectation.
3) As far as these repeated words being numbers then one would seem to argue that the words of the format "ok..." or "ot..." would constitute numbers. But what could these numbers mean? If a lone star or nymph etc. has an attached number then how are we to interpret them.
4) I would think when talking about multiple meanings then this is reference to abbreviations or different interpretations of the same word. In practice when the author is reading the text back I would think it often very hard for the author to divine what the intended meaning was as labels tend to be unique plus specific and if the author was already able to identify the item then the label would be unnecessary. Most importantly the very similar spelling of the repeated words does not fit well with this hypothesis.
4) If we have multiple encryptions then presumably the idea is that each page of set of pages has a different encryption key. Where do we find this key? Again most importantly why do the repeated words have similar spellings then, this does not seem consistent.
5) With multiple languages again we have the problem with repeated label words having similar spellings.
6 & 7) Regarding these two I will look up what is intended precisely by these elsewhere in the comments.
8) This is the possibility that makes most sense to me. However I think this only applies to the repeated label words with similar spellings. I believe there is no reason to expect the other label words to be nonsense.
JKP: My point is there seems to be a little more talk of TTR on this thread than is really justified given its limitations.