21-03-2016, 04:24 PM
Hi all,
I've just found this forum and, of course, want to contribute
Thanks Torsten for your great work. I'm supporting your opinion of a constructed text as you've described.
The following thoughts are not new. But I want to put it into this discussion because there are relations between your discoveries and the following theory:
To make a text construction as you've described, one could use a disc as shown at f57v. To have a working tool, each of the four circles needs to be drawn at a separate sheet to have each one turnable at a separate layer. If you put the discs together and add another 5th layer with some notches (or just a pointer), you have a simple word generator. Well, some rules need to be added as: How is the word read, what's the start point, and so on. Another way could be a moveable set of four pointers (like a clock) mounted at one end and placed in the middle of the disc drawings.
Third way could be to leave the 4 discs as one sheet and to have one or more turnable mask(s) with some fixed notches to place over the discs (limiting the number of words that can be created). Depending on the position of the notches and the way you turn the overlay you will get a lot of words. It's like a turnable cardan grille.
The words created from such a device would look like the "words" in the VM. Depending on how the discs are turned (or how the fixed notches are placed) all the strange word / paragraph / letter relations would appear as you described.
One effect would be the high frequency words like "daiin" or "aiin" appears as single word and as part of other words. As you can see at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. these words do appear more often than other words at the discs. It also would explain impossible combinations of words / letters due to the limitations of the discs.
Of course, the disc at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be a draft for the real disc. But anyway, the results would be words as you've described.
If fixed notches in an overlay have been used, it should be possible to recover the position by using the rules you've discovered. But I guess in this case there have been used more overlays (maybe one per page or chapter).
In case the scribe(s) used turnable discs, it could be complicated to discover the algorithm of how the discs have been turned. But not impossible.
Of course, this discs could also be used to encrypt data. But it's rather inefficient. I guess it's used just to generate large amounts of text that looks like an unknown language. My assumption is this: As you have so many ambiguities, it's very complicated to decrypt, even when you have the right discs. So the conclusion would be: It's junk. There is no information hidden, it's just text garbage.
I've just found this forum and, of course, want to contribute
Thanks Torsten for your great work. I'm supporting your opinion of a constructed text as you've described.
The following thoughts are not new. But I want to put it into this discussion because there are relations between your discoveries and the following theory:
To make a text construction as you've described, one could use a disc as shown at f57v. To have a working tool, each of the four circles needs to be drawn at a separate sheet to have each one turnable at a separate layer. If you put the discs together and add another 5th layer with some notches (or just a pointer), you have a simple word generator. Well, some rules need to be added as: How is the word read, what's the start point, and so on. Another way could be a moveable set of four pointers (like a clock) mounted at one end and placed in the middle of the disc drawings.
Third way could be to leave the 4 discs as one sheet and to have one or more turnable mask(s) with some fixed notches to place over the discs (limiting the number of words that can be created). Depending on the position of the notches and the way you turn the overlay you will get a lot of words. It's like a turnable cardan grille.
The words created from such a device would look like the "words" in the VM. Depending on how the discs are turned (or how the fixed notches are placed) all the strange word / paragraph / letter relations would appear as you described.
One effect would be the high frequency words like "daiin" or "aiin" appears as single word and as part of other words. As you can see at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. these words do appear more often than other words at the discs. It also would explain impossible combinations of words / letters due to the limitations of the discs.
Of course, the disc at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could be a draft for the real disc. But anyway, the results would be words as you've described.
If fixed notches in an overlay have been used, it should be possible to recover the position by using the rules you've discovered. But I guess in this case there have been used more overlays (maybe one per page or chapter).
In case the scribe(s) used turnable discs, it could be complicated to discover the algorithm of how the discs have been turned. But not impossible.
Of course, this discs could also be used to encrypt data. But it's rather inefficient. I guess it's used just to generate large amounts of text that looks like an unknown language. My assumption is this: As you have so many ambiguities, it's very complicated to decrypt, even when you have the right discs. So the conclusion would be: It's junk. There is no information hidden, it's just text garbage.