(05-10-2018, 01:38 PM)Koen Gh. wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The evolution of Phebus MSS is quite interesting. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was made in 1390, Toulouse under Phebus' supervision. No baggy sleeves, most of the men have their sleeves rolled up. Then 17 years later the manuscript is copied in Paris (BNF 616) only now all men are baggy-sleeved dandies.
BNF 616 may be earlier... unfortunately many manuscripts on the gallica.bnf.fr website are not precisely dated. Sometimes more information can be found on the archivesetmanuscrits.bnf.fr website, not much.
BNF Fr. 616 - Le livre de la chasse, Gaston Phébus, 14th-15th century (!), shows many baggy sleeves:
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EDIT: Where did you find the 1407 date?
BNF Smith-Lesouëf 70 - Pierre Choinet, Le livre des trois âges (late 15th century)
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Hunting scene, no baggy sleeves
Compost et kalendrier des bergers (1457)
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Archer holding crossbow, no baggy sleeves
Later on (when, I don't know) men's pourpoint fashion seemingly went back to wide sleeves but in a different style, with shoulder pads:
BNF Fr. 2695 - René I d'Anjou, Traité de la forme et devis comme on peut faire les tournois (ca. 1462-1465).
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