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(17-09-2018, 06:49 PM)Wladimir D wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
JKP / Do I understand your examples of ligatures "co" & "cl" correctly?
What does the ligature on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. mean?
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Wladimir, I have 80% of a blog written about the "cl" ligature and the shape that looks like it in the VMS. The blog includes statistical support for my opinions... but I don't know if I'll ever find time to finish the blog, I have about 30 blogs in draft mode and not enough free time (very very frustrating), so I guess I'll simply state my viewpoint here:

It's my opinion that EVA-d (d) and the VMS variant of EVA-d with the straight stem are two different shapes, just as they are two different shapes in manuscripts that use Latin scribal conventions. Once again, this means that most VMS transcripts are useless, since they tend to treat round-d and straight-stem d as the same character.


(17-09-2018, 06:49 PM)Wladimir D wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
JKP / Do I understand your examples of ligatures "co" & "cl" correctly?
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The "co" ligature is different from the ligature and abbreviation "tails". It is basically a c+o written for rapid writing (this form is especially common in Spanish manuscripts, but can also be found in Latin, French, and German manuscripts) and doesn't fit into the same category as VMS s or r.

VMS s is identical in shape to Latin e or c or e with a tail. VMS r is identical in shape to Latin i or r (and sometimes t) with a tail.



(17-09-2018, 06:49 PM)Wladimir D wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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Is it possible to consider a "smoke" on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. analogue 1r “weirdo”?


Yes, I think it's possible. There are quite a few macrons and curved macrons throughout the VMS, so it's quite possible that the example you point out on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. might be the "smoke" apostrophe. In Latin this shape which I sometimes call the "squiggle" apostrophe (just because I think it sounds funny) usually stands for er/re/ir/ri or just r.

Here are some examples of the "smoke" apostrophe in Latin, Italian, German, Austrian, and French manuscripts. Note that it is sometimes written horizontally, but it means the same thing:

[Image: SmokeApostrophe.png]

You can see from the examples, that it frequently stands for "er" but often "ir" (it is usually something with "r"). In early medieval script and some legal documents, the smoke apostrophe was sometimes written as l but it meant the same thing.


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ARTIFACTS IN THE TEXT. - by Wladimir D - 30-09-2016, 07:49 AM
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