(16-06-2018, 02:01 PM)DONJCH wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.JKP, If we stipulate that Eva-k could have been formed from I + tis = Item, do you have any clues as to how the basic one legged gallows could have been formed?
FWIW while looking at the Visigothic manuscripts I came to similar conclusions i.e
1 p never loops that way (on the right) no matter what abbreviation is added
2 VMS p does not even look like a p
3 In any case p was on a descender
4 The nearest feature of interest was that capital T loops to the left with a spur on the right.
5 The characters with tall ascenders such as b,d, l etc all had spurs on the top, not loops.
I was thinking maybe with a cursive script we could get some loops but never on the right of the p. OTOH there were lots of the long macrons.
This was all irrelevant to the immediate task of finding a 100% accurate wild copy of the 4 basic VMS gallows.
TLDR I agree that the gallows look constructed. Maybe I should look again with that in mind.
Visigothic docs examined were from 600 - 1300AD with most round 850 - 1050AD. It was spine tingling to examine stuff that was old at the time of the Norman Conquest!
Both the one-legged gallows and the small loops on the right are found in Greek manuscripts. But it's not usually a P-shape that has the loop on the right, it's Pi, and adding the loop is the same as adding "o" or "e" or (if it's a lazy scribe) "eri" to make "Peri" (which is somewhat analogous to the way "Item" is used in Latin).
In Greek, a one-legged P-shape benched represents rho and pi. So, in Latin, something that looks like a bench is usually a long macron, in Greek, it is usually a stretched lowercase pi. Since Latin didn't retain the shape of pi (a P was used), they dropped the habit of stretching it over ascenders (although they still sometimes did use a Greek-style bench with numbers).
If I were to try to assess the origins of the glyphs in terms of numbers, my subjective impression is that the glyphs are about 80% Latin alphabet/Latin scribal conventions, about 10-15% Greek scribal conventions (some of which overlap with Latin conventions), and perhaps 5%-10% invention... but not random invention or invention based on different sources, invention based on scribal concepts.

